Three new bubble eye goldfish

[Fishguy2727]

I love hand picking fish at the wholesaler.
LINK (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFP4cyNEMCY)

[eros]

:) I like the 1st fish on the video. How big is the tank? looks like a nice set-:exact:up

[Fishguy2727]

It is a 150.

[small_ranchu]

They are beautiful. Where do you get them from? :)

[Jed]

They are beautiful. Are you going to keep them in that tank?

[Fishguy2727]

Right now the plan is they will be staying in this tank. I may upgrade to a larger tank or indoor pond.

I got them at the local wholesaler when I was buying stuff for the store I work at.

[sweetshannon]

That seems like alot of objects for them to possibly injure those bubbles with.....
They seem kind of stressed. were they QT'd?

[Fishguy2727]

They are going to tear their bubbles on plants?

No, no quarantine. In my experience it ends up causing more problems than it prevents. I never quarantine and have never had any issues from it.

They don't seem stressed at all to me.

[sweetshannon]

They are going to tear their bubbles on plants?

No, no quarantine. In my experience it ends up causing more problems than it prevents. I never quarantine and have never had any issues from it.

They don't seem stressed at all to me.

I was just wondering, as I saw one thick stem poking up with no leaves on it.. And one of the fish ran into it. But as I would never keep bubble eyes, I really was just making a casual observation. And I wondered if they were stressed because they seemed to be swimming rather quickly and jerkily. Maybe it was just that calico in that short clip.
I asked about the QT as every person who keeps goldies strongly recommends it. Don't you treat for flukes?

[Fishguy2727]

No, never had any issues.

I have had a bubble eye in the tank for quite a while. I wanted to try one out before I got any others. The first one has grown a lot and is looking really good.

I have found if you start with healthy fish from a quality source, have high quality water and food then you should not have any issues.

[sweetshannon]

No, never had any issues.

I have had a bubble eye in the tank for quite a while. I wanted to try one out before I got any others. The first one has grown a lot and is looking really good.

I have found if you start with healthy fish from a quality source, have high quality water and food then you should not have any issues.


I have read and heard form breeders that flukes are very common on fish...Cats and dogs can live with fleas, too. But isn't is better for the animal to be sure they don't? Or is it just survival of the fittest?

[Fishguy2727]

I have never seen any signs of anything, but if you have a link to a good article I am always open to reading good information. Thanks in advance.

[sweetshannon]

I have never seen any signs of anything, but if you have a link to a good article I am always open to reading good information. Thanks in advance.

Are you kidding? A biologist needs an article on flukes?!
I think a biologist should be able to do their own research, right?
And you're welcome!

[Fishguy2727]

It sounded like you had some good info in mind. Sorry for asking.

[bekko]

Shannon, the analogy of flukes and fleas is very appropriate. That's a good one.

-steve

[Fishguy2727]

And still no further info, even when asked. Anyone have any links or anything so I can learn more about this?

[mikeno]

Try google: gyrodactulus and dactologyrus (spelling?).

Welcome!

[Fishguy2727]

I did. I have never seen any of the symptoms listed in any of my goldfish.

I don't think it is good forum etiquette to convince someone they need to learn more and then refuse to provide it the moment they as for it.

Yes, I am a biologist and I can do research on my own no problem. But when someone shows they have some personal experience and/or knowledge from others about a topic a forum is a great place to share it, especially when asked.

If anyone has any particular links they found especially helpful or shows how this issue really is I would love to read them. Thanks in advance.

[sweetshannon]

I did. I have never seen any of the symptoms listed in any of my goldfish.

I don't think it is good forum etiquette to convince someone they need to learn more and then refuse to provide it the moment they as for it.

Yes, I am a biologist and I can do research on my own no problem. But when someone shows they have some personal experience and/or knowledge from others about a topic a forum is a great place to share it, especially when asked.

If anyone has any particular links they found especially helpful or shows how this issue really is I would love to read them. Thanks in advance.

Forum etiquette? LOL...that's good.
I would think that as a biologist, you would know about fish parasites......I am still surprised that you didn't QT or treat for parasites. If they were my fish, I would have. If I was negligent in their care and it was mentioned to me, I would do a little research ON MY OWN, and draw my own conclusions. But hey, they are your fish...so do whatever you want. Expose your other fish to whatever they may have.
Prazi is a very mild drug, and doesn't harm your biological filter....but if you are against it, whatever. You know best, right?
Good luck to you and your fish.

[Fishguy2727]

I never once said I know best. No one knows everything and no matter how advanced anyone is they can improve. I understand that many people have very thorough quarantine and prophylactic procedures and have their reasons. In my tanks and in my experience I have not seen anything to warrant such procedures in my own tanks. However, I also acknowledge that I have not experienced everything. So because of that I would love to hear from someone who is convinced that it is a good idea to have such procedures.

In addition, although I know that there is invaluable information available from people on forums, it is also a relatively dangerous place to simply take a person's, any person's, word as fact. This would be why I asked for more information from such a person.

"If I was negligent in their care and it was mentioned to me..."
My fish, by all indications, are very healthy. So simply because someone else would be even more thorough than me doesn't mean I am negligent. I also assume that just because someone came on here and told you that you were being negligent that you would not simply take their word and do whatever they tell you. My guess is you would ask for more information from them so you could understand why they think you could improve.

I looked on other sites and the symptoms listed as warranting using fluke medications are not present in my fish.

You brought up a good point and I started researching by asking for information from you since it seemed like you had some. But it seems like you simply saw the video and were looking for something wrong with it. As soon as I gave you the benefit of any doubt and tried to learn more you put up a wall. I find this very odd for a forum, where most people are very happy to provide relevant information to help others improve their care, especially when that information is specifically asked for.

Have you ever had any issues with flukes?
Did you start treating for flukes as soon as you had goldfish? If not how long after you got goldfish did you start treating for them?
Have you heard of any studies that show how many goldfish actually have flukes? For example: 'one study found that 5% of otherwise healthy goldfish showed symptoms of flukes' or 'one study found that 40% of goldfish who showed no signs of any health problems had flukes'.

In my experience high water quality, high quality food with garlic, and getting fish that are healthy to begin with are what is needed to provide a healthy home.

In addition, using a medication as a preventative means that if an issue does occur that medication will be useless in fighting it since obviously any pathogens present when the medication was in use will be resistant or immune to that medication.

[bekko]

Flukes are fairly easy to control, but almost impossible to eradicate forever. There is some circumstantial evidence that even mosquitoes and midge flies can serve a vectors. Fish and flukes have evolved together and each side has a variety of mechanisms for thwarting the other. Fish become immune to the strain of flukes in their environment. If a new fish is added, then a new strain of flukes is added as well and an outbreak can occur. If the immune system is the least bit compromised then the flukes gain the upper hand. There is also a dose response and one fish with a heavy infestation can create an outbreak in healthy cohorts. A heavy fluke infestation can damage the fish outright. Their punctures break the cuticle and can also introduce pathogenic bacteria which lead to dropsy. While a fluke infestation can be cured, dropsy often cannot.

Your bubble eyes have been stressed by shipping/handling and have a weakened immune system. They have also picked up hitchhikers along the way from the Chinese farmer, to the Chinese jobber, to the Chinese wholesaler, to the US wholesaler, to your tank. They were exposed to different strains of flukes at every point along the way. Good water quality is always the best defense. But, eventually you will encounter a situation where good water quality is not enough and will end up with a tank full of sick fish.

Your approach is typical of someone who has never had to deal with such a situation. After you have experienced an outbreak or two, scrap-and-scope and prophylactic treatment of new arrivals becomes less repulsive. There is nothing like a little paranoia to make us change our ways. It is all part of the learning process everyone goes through.

P.S. You should get rid of that platy. Platies have different defense mechanisms than goldfish and their presence can really complicate the situation should a problem ever occur.

-steve

[sweetshannon]

I stand by my statement, and breeders really know what fish go through on the way to your tank.
if you choose not to treat, or even QT, your choice. But your tank seems crowded and the water a bit cloudy...and you mix other fish with your goldies. I would consider than situation far from ideal for those fish.
But then, you have also mixed water-dogs with goldies. And no one I know would consider that ideal, either.
Again, good luck to those fish.

[Fishguy2727]

Thank you bekko. That was the kind of response I was hoping for.

[pearlscale_fan]

it looks like you are keeping platys and goldfish in the same tank
just a warning, platys often carry wasting disease, which causes a fish to stop eating and rapidly lose weight and die
plus, if you are keeping one at the right temp for the other, they aren't going to do too well
those are nice bubble eyes, though
they seem very active and swim pretty well
good even-sized bubbles too

[Fishguy2727]

Actually the temp range for goldfish and platies overlaps, they are both temperate fish and both also do well in tropical temps.

No issues mixing these fish so far. Thanks for th eheads up though.