CBTVR's

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[eros]

Now Ive only had them for a couple of weeks but since then I have seen growth. There are 3 other fishes but theyre far behind in their development. Its always a battle to avoid overfeeding these guys but I always have to remind myself to change the water rather than feed. Water temp is at 78-80 degrees F; pH 7.5; water change daily at 90% 1st day then 30% next day; 60 gallon tank located near a window for afternoon sun; 140watt light for 12 hrs.

Feedings:

Mon-Sat. 5-6 feedings (q3-4hr): 1st meal- Saki Hikari GF, JRL (white head pkg) or Hikari Lionhead, Oregon frozen BW, Oregon frozen BW or Hikari frozen spirulina BS, and the last meal is Saki Hikari GF.

Sunday: Fasting or Algae day

*Pellets are always given in small amounts
**Live food given twice weekly (live BS & California blackworms)
***I am able to devote a lot of time since I'm on Paternal leave. My new boss is 11 days old today:yess:.
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Please feel free to comment to improve fishes...

[eros]

I need to further lenghten the body & develop their wen (w/c I think is already slowly developing).

[suphi]

I think wen development is mostly genetics, although breeders in Thai forums seem to stress the importance of feeding lots of daphnia and blood worms in very young fish. One guy even said brine shrimp isn't as good for wen development.

Body length is also mostly predetermined, unless you overcrowd the tank.

This is just what I read, no direct experience.

[bigbettadan]

I think you need at least one daily feeding of flash frozen(like hakari) or live bloodworm or live mosquito larvae to maximize wen development. It is very interesting comparing these fish from the same spawn and different methods of development. This has really sold me on the importance of quality protein sources for development of wen, as well as the advantages of sunlight for color. I do think the pellet is important for body development.

Dan

[bigbettadan]

Maybe we should start a thread with pics everyones fish from Pauls BBTVR shippment, and their feeding schedule. I know we have posted them on other threads, but it might be helpful......

Dan

[small_ranchu]

Maybe we should start a thread with pics everyones fish from Pauls BBTVR shippment, and their feeding schedule. I know we have posted them on other threads, but it might be helpful......

Dan

It is a real good idea. We should start one to compare methods. I cannot do it since I dont' have any from that batch. :coffee:

[eros]

to stress the importance of feeding lots of daphnia and blood worms in very young fish. One guy even said brine shrimp isn't as good for wen development.

Perhaps they feel that brineshrimp is not a natural food source for goldfishes. My rationale for feeding Spirulina BS is for their lipid profile and the spirulina factor. In addition, when comparing both frozen products, the frozen BS has more minimum protein content than frozen BW (6.9 to 5.5).

Ill try this diet for another 2 weeks and if the results are minimal, Ill take it off the daily menu and simply use it as a treat.

In regards to the daphnia, I havent had luck starting a culture (magna variety) as it seems to always crash on me. Perhaps its due to the weather in my area (temperature dips into the 40's or low 50's at night). The frozen Hikari daphnia (I feel) is just too small.

I would love to feed my fishes strictly live food but its just not possible. I remember back when I was 10-12 years old, in my home country (The Philippines), I used to get up at sunrise and collect live mosquito larvae and daphnia around the neighborhood:me:

[bigbettadan]

Heres 2 week old pics of mine from the same batch. I measured them Sunday, from mouth to peduncle, almost 3 inches. I feed bloodworm at 9 am, followed my live mosquito larvae at lunch, if the culture has them(i don't have enough to harvest every day). My pellet feeding is around five. Currently they are outdoors in a 110 gallon tub. They were intially in a shallow tub in my garage with direct sunlight for the first 2 months I had them...

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[eros]

I have a lot of ground to cover, Dan. Fishes 3 & 1-I like a lot.

I plan to update the pictures bi-monthly.

[devins23]

Dan - how deep is the water level that u keep ur tvrs in? Mine is 9" in a 125 gallon tank - 72"longx18"wide. I'm thinking about raising it higher cause there are 11 of them in the tank but worried I'll end up with svrs LOL. One of my chus already has a svr tail. But in the long run as they get older I will have to raise the water level at 16-18" unless I find a new home for them....

Eros -the colors of ur fish look amazing. I got mine the same time as urs, about 3 weeks ago but mine still has the same baby CBR color- not much color change. I was feeding mine 6-8 times a day but now I cut that in half and sometimess less because my filters can not convert amonia as fast as these chus produce them. How are u keeping ur chus eros?

[eros]

>Devins23: Thanks for the compliment. Hows the growth on your tvr's? Colors are nice but Id rather have length & wen growth. I feel that in another month, I am going to see more improvements. You should consider posting pictures in a separate post so we can all track the development:exact:.

Check Post#3 for my ways. Feel free to ask specific questions.

[bigbettadan]

Currently their tub is 16 inches. But intially they were in a 9 inch tub for early development. After 6 months, water depth is not as important as water quality. And the greater the water volume and surface area, the better. I do it very naturally, heavy water changes and sponge filters. On your tail comment, that is largely genetic, and the tail is the hardest part of the ranchu to get right. That is why TVRs are so hard compared to breeding just for side view. It is truly the art of ranchu.........

Dan

[suphi]

You guys should post some videos, too, so we all can see how the fish swim. Swimming posture is a very important part of ranchus.