Bristols Shubunkins please share some pictures

[ak47_chicago]

Hello All breeders here. Could you please to share some of your Bristols Shubunkins. I saw some pictures from the web. They are really interest to me. I was thinking about to get a pair of Bristols Shubunkins and put them into my goldfish tank. I have few questions. Since I am rookie of rookie to Bristols Shubunkins. Are these Bristols shubunkins get alone with Goldfish? Are they goldfish too? Also, I would love to see the color pattern like calico. I saw some bristols shubunkins with boradtail like tail. Are they expensive. Do you have any 2 to 3 inches of Bristols Shubunkins with boradtail like tail for sale? Since I am rookie of rookie to this fish. If i am wrong, please correct me.

This is the tail and color I like.
http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n76/Joh3far/Shubunkin.gif

If you have some for sale. please let me know. Are they expensive? or any suggestion would be great.

Thank you for your help.

[Fishdork]

Yes, they are a type of goldfish. Compatability problems happen when mixing fast single tailed fish with slow or nearly blind fish. Shubunkins can race around and eat all the food before a fancy fish can swim to find it. My biggest concern when mixing types is if a small pearlscale or bubble eye lays eggs large male single tails may chase her to death.
In 30 years of goldfish keeping, I had one pearlscale lost an eye and one lionhead have his hood eaten off. Both problems happened in tanks with several shubunkins, but there were no witnesses to the crime.
Bristols come in the same colors as other nacreous varieties, but I usually only keep the ones that have a lot of blue. Bristols are usually more expensive than shubunkins with other tail types, but a little less expensive than ranchu or veiltails. I don't have any for sale this year. The Bristol has a combination of wide lobes and very wide, almost vertical spread of the tail. This makes a heart shaped tail or a 'B' shape. Like other goldfish, the lobes are narrower when they are young and improve with age. Like with veiltails, there is a tendancy to keep fish with the longest possible tail, but as they age the tails collapse and then the fish often collapses too (see photos). The fish in your photo has a good shape. Notice the peduncle is fairly thick and the tail rays wrap around the peduncle to help spread the tail wider. I with I knew how to mix the photos into the text, but look through the thumbnails. Photos of fish from 5 sources. Two blue fish with gray background taken by George at an English show, notice how short and wide the tails are. Two photos of same blue fish with orange spots on peduncle show a little of how tail and color improves with age. Brown fish is Mock Metallic that some bristol spawnings produce.

[Fishdork]

limited to 5 photos.

[Fishdork]

2 more photos.

[ak47_chicago]

Hello Fishdork.

Thanks for your helpful information. Wow. They are soooooooo beautiful. I love this one. Hope you have some baby one for sale now! Anyway, I have a quesiton. Is the baby fish already has the shape of the picture below or they need to develope when get older.

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i278/ak47_chicago/line1b2.jpg

[Fishdork]

Cincy Ranchu and I were laughing (embarrased to cry) yesterday at how many lines of goldfish we have lost over the years. We thought of making a list, but it would take up too much storage on our computers! Sad to say the only fish I have related to that one is a female mock metallic. I'm not sure I have a male bristol to cross her to. I moved to Texas for a year and only saved 3 of them, 2 died. Big mistake.
I think that fish was about 4 years old and only about 4 inches long at the time of the photo. The stunting wasn't intentional, but I think it helped it have a strong tail. The babies don't have wide lobes, but by the time they are a month old they should hold their tails as close to vertical as possible. If you have a whole spawning, you can choose to save the ones with wide round lobes that are held upright, but I can't find photos of babies.
The first two photos above from the English show are probably fish less than a year old. Good quality baby fish have a very similar shape, with a slightly smaller tail and a little narrower lobes.

[ak47_chicago]

Hi Fishdork,
There is a post there inside of member buy/sell section. Cincy Ranchu has posted some baby one there. $20 each. I think i saw some of them has the tail I like...hehe. Wondering about that does he still have it for sale. I want to buy 3 babies now with the tail that I wanted. Is he from Ohio? That even better. I can ask him just ship them via Fedex Ground or Ups Ground to save some money. Fishdork. Are they same type of fish(between our pictures and his picture). Since I am rookie to this. Alot of learn!!! Since you are friend to him can you check and see does he still have any more for sale? and you can help me to hand pick 3 of them from his bath of bristol.

Here is the picture I found there.
and the below link will take you directly to there.
http://www.goldfishkeepers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=65

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i278/ak47_chicago/Bristol2.jpg

[Daryl]

I think that you can trust Cincy Ranchu to pick you as nice a fish as possible if you simply ask. It is nearly impossible to select just one (or three) from an indeterminate still photo. Tell him what you like and what you do NOT like, or, (what I would recommend) simply ask for the ones with the best conformation he has.....

:)

[ak47_chicago]

I trust him, Since Fishdork already knew what I wanted. That is the only reason why I asked him to pick for me. Since I am rookie. I don't even know how to ask for a good one. But... I can use good confirmatin to him now. :)

[Daryl]

That is great!!!! I LOVE my Bristols I got from him - I unfortunately lost 2 of them, but have two really nice ones left. I will be looking for more sometime in the future, too. :)

[Fishdork]

The fish we like in my photo I got by getting fish from Cincy Ranchu and then spawning them and saving the best fish. He hasn't spawned that line of fish recently and may have lost them all too. I needed more Bristols a couple months ago, so I got more from him. They are the line in the group photo. This bloodline doesn't seem to have tails as fat as the other line had, but it's the best is available now. The line was imported from England in 2000. Buying fish without seeing them is almost always disappointing because we expect perfection. Breeders will tell you perfect fish are very rare. I pick fish based upon what flaws bother me less than others. Each line of fish has common flaws we should try to avoid so they don't become more common in that line.
This line has a tendancy for the top half of the tail to be bigger than the bottom. On the good side, they seem to have a large number of fish that are mostly blue. Photos of whole fish are from Gary.
Other lines of Bristols have missing gill covers or tails that curl over at the top. Photos of tail and gill parts are from that other line that was so nice, but still had flaws.
Send Gary a private message and see if he still has any for sale. Most likely to get a reply on weekends. He has nice Bristols, but don't expect perfect or show quality fish of any variety for $20. They have good genetics for breeding your own.

[Daryl]

I have been thinking on this thread for a few hours as I have been working..... and I was remembering the most marvelous seminar that johnatoranchu (Hi, John) gave at our show a few years back. He came complete with a set of photos of Bristols and, after a nice talk, had us place them in order of "best" to "worst".....

I learned SO much that day about Bristols - and it has given me a reasonable knowledge base so I can talk "Bristol" and see "Bristol" in various ways - as well as a good appreciation of the fish breed.

Perhaps if we begged him, John might be convinced to give us a thread on this subject?????

:cross_fingers: :unsure:

[GlassGoldfish]

Here's a little known importer/breeder that I met at the Portland goldfish show:

http://www.wakin.us/

He doesn't seem to have bristols listed on the website currently, but I have bought them from him before and I suspect its an item that must be asked for. 2 years ago Tommy was buying shubunkins from this guy for his auction, and I bet he still does.

[ak47_chicago]

Thank you thank you and thank you for all of your infomation. After All that I ordred 5 from Gary...hehe. Good price too.

Take care everyone.


I found som bristol from youtube too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGmNdCLJRT0&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGmNdCLJRT0

The fish look alot better white more black color on their tail. Do you guys think so too?

[ak47_chicago]

Fishdork,

I knew i knew.I never expect 20 dollars for a show fish! I got the the smaller one at 15 dollars each. Yea, hope he will pick up some with big tail out of his batch and have alot of black color on the tail too. Thanks again for our help. I will take pictures and post here sometime next week.

""You might get a show fish from PAUL at $20 each.:yess: """

bye bye.