RIP My Show Quality Veils

[afertuna]

Sadly I lost all my Show fish and has left me with what almost resembles a veil breeding program. BAD NIGHT!!!

[small_ranchu]

oop this is bad. sorry for your lost and it is a big lost for veil program as well :(

[BruceP]

That is horrible Allen........ what a shame.

[nygold]

Sorry to hear.

[marlin08]

That's terrible !! What happened??

[Corrie]

Allen, what in this world happened??

[bigbettadan]

Wow, that is shocking. Sorry to hear. Let me know if I can help.

Dan

[afertuna]

Bacterial gill disease that hit hard and fast by the time there was a sign of distress it was too late.

[afnaveils]

Sorry to hear that. I had a similar problem with my Naitoh ranchus. I have no more of them.

[Corrie]

Bacterial gill disease that hit hard and fast by the time there was a sign of distress it was too late.

Got any idea what caused it?

[afertuna]

yup and so far I think I may have stopped it in its tracks. PP has worked wonders better than anything else I have used. I still have some of the breeders left 10 or so but lost all my best quality. I still have the parents of those fish around and I will have to go thru the tanks and ponds to find others I have tucked away. I still have a couple tanks of fry too. Just a smack in the face for me thats all. FYI the Thomma is still kicking around I think it is metal plated. I will keep everyone updated
Allen

[harzan]

Wow Allen:rip:

I am saddened to hear this. I was just speaking to Peter Ponzio last night and were discussing your veils in particular.

I hope you will be able to get some from Uncle Parker soon.

[Ichthius]

Have you ruled out flukes?

[Corrie]

Allen, I think David and I are on the same page.

Have you figured out how/why they got BGD?

[Cincy Ranchu]

As my friend Foster used to say, at least now you have room. Let me know when you are clear to restock! I will send you some stuff

[afertuna]

Allen, I think David and I are on the same page.

Have you figured out how/why they got BGD?

yup parasites ruled out...I wish it was flukes!!! and I know where the outbreak came from.
Thanks Gary we will talk soon

[afertuna]

As my friend Foster used to say, at least now you have room. Let me know when you are clear to restock! I will send you some stuff

Great way to look at it!!!!!

[bluebelly]

Allen you say you know where the problem came from but you may not have properly identified the disease, fish that are dying before you notice distress may be dying from ghv and are not being properly diagnosed. Are the gills pale at death or right before ,are the fish just dying as the slowly swim around? Please send my path a live fish for bac smears or a dead fish in solution for viral study. Formalin or alcohol are best for viral study if you can't send live.

[Cincy Ranchu]

While my eyes are pretty weak when it comes to color, I believe my Blue X Purple cross is showing blue.

If it was me and you ruled out flukes, I would treat everything with Oxilinic acid for three days. ALL YOUR TANKS! I would also do Prazi once a week for 3 weeks and make sure all the tanks are filled to the rim when I treat....:exact:

[afertuna]

Well here is an update. Today I got results from the bluebellies Pathologist today. Cause of death is still unknown. The one thing we talked about is the fact I am on city water and he told me that city water tends to not have enough cloride and vital minerals so that could be part of the problem. SO at this time I will start adding salt to all of my tanks and see if I have better luck.

Now here comes the fun part LOL( not really) the fish I sent did test positive for GHV. Although they are positive the viral count was very low so it WAS NOT the cause of their death. What he told me about GHV is that it is everywhere and its harder to find fish that do not test positive than do. SO at this time I am going to learn All that I can about the disease and work with the Pathologist and see if there is something that can be done with it.

I know this is a scary subject and makes us all uncomfortable the only reason I am bringing it up in a public forum is to start a dialog and hopefully others may learn from what I am learning or others may have knowledge that I can learn from.

Here is an article from some fella by the name of Dave Mandley that goes into GHV a bit
http://www.goldfishpages.com/Articles/GOLDFISH%20HERPES%20UPDATE.pdf

[Virginia ranchu]

Just out of curiosity, what brand of dechlorinator do you use? Does it also fix ammonia? Chloramines treated with a standard dechlorinator will yield ammonia. I have lost fish this way.

[suphi]

These viruses/virii are scary, there's no effective way to treat them.

[bluebelly]

Strange disease. I have had ponds test positive with huge fish losses and two months later the same pond test negative. I have had false negatives and everything in between. Losses after spawning sends up a red flag and a quick rise in temp is dangerous. Just lost 20 fish 3 years old after they spawned heavily. The fry are acting normal although we believe the virus is transmitted thru the egg. Vertical transmission. What is not sure is if the virus is on the egg or in the egg. I will be sending fry in for testing and Allen will do the other type of fry testing. Remember the cold sore, it shows up when you have a cold and then goes dormant maybe for years, some people never get one even though they are infected. GHV is the same in comparison, confusing. Fish can live for years and not be bothered and then the right temp and or stress and you have an outbreak. As more is learned we will forward to you.

[afertuna]

One thing that the pathologist told me that too many people get it confused with KHV and even though its a strain of herpes its different only effecting goldfish no other types of fish. Koi that are kept with Goldfish can carry it over and there is vertical transmit ion. People like myself that are in colder regions that heat up suddenly are more likely to have issues with death than the more moderate climates. Kinda like chicken pox everyone has had chicken pox and has the virus for the rest of their lifeand will not have an outbreak ,but some later in life gets shingles. Just like ghv and shingles it can be brought on by stress, climate (heat above 70 degrees) and other diseases such as BGD and parasites.
Allen