2010 TVR Growout event [Archive] - Site for Goldfish Keepers

small_ranchu

03-19-2010, 12:23 AM

I am starting this thread for new BBR which I bought from Paul. I will keep updating this thread until they become full tosai or older..

For the beginning, I have two tubs ready for growout..

http://goldfishkeepers.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=454&d=1268799014

I am confusing whether to use bakki shower or just regular sponge filter.

:coffee:

Cincy Ranchu

03-19-2010, 01:23 AM

This should be good, I might suggest one stone and one sponge per tub.

Do you like the tubs?:exact:

small_ranchu

03-19-2010, 02:26 AM

Tub is the best. lol

bigbettadan

03-19-2010, 02:44 AM

We already have contest for them.....

the 2010 ARS show - imported tosai class...... LOL

Dan

small_ranchu

03-19-2010, 02:48 AM

yay... lol

small_ranchu

03-19-2010, 03:24 AM

The show is starting with 6 TVRs and here is a preview of fish.

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bigbettadan

03-19-2010, 03:40 AM

What bloodline are those???

Dan

afnaveils

03-20-2010, 01:02 AM

What bloodline are those???

Dan

Well! :waiting:

Cincy Ranchu

03-20-2010, 01:28 AM

Tun Tun,

you need to either raise the water level or shorten your sponge filter, you are not getting any circulation

small_ranchu

03-20-2010, 04:23 AM

My water level is almost 4.5" already. I don't want to raise it any more. How do I shorten the sponge? Jut cut in half? Thanks.

bigbettadan

03-20-2010, 04:57 AM

Take off the bottom plastic base.........

Dan

Cincy Ranchu

03-20-2010, 02:03 PM

Does the filter have a remavable stem above the weight?. Jehmco.com has 1/2 filters

small_ranchu

03-20-2010, 02:30 PM

Take off the bottom plastic base.........

Dan
Don't you think the sponge will fly all over the place? How do I control it?

small_ranchu

03-20-2010, 02:32 PM

Does the filter have a remavable stem above the weight?. Jehmco.com has 1/2 filters

this one?
http://jehmco.com/assets/images/PB100004.JPG

http://jehmco.com/assets/images/Hydro-VMS.JPG

bigbettadan

03-20-2010, 06:00 PM

Not if it is setablished.

opera

03-20-2010, 07:40 PM

Ranchumaniax

03-20-2010, 09:48 PM

Hi Opera,

You bought BBTVR from me too....I didn't know...lol

afnaveils

03-20-2010, 11:23 PM

Fred, the middle pipe is an overflow, right? Shouldn't it be lower than the edge of the tub? Maybe it just the way the picture was taken...:youtellme:

Cincy Ranchu

03-21-2010, 03:15 AM

this one?
http://jehmco.com/assets/images/PB100004.JPG

http://jehmco.com/assets/images/Hydro-VMS.JPG

In the picture, the little section above the weighted base can be removed, you might be able to do this on the filters you already have

small_ranchu

03-21-2010, 05:54 AM

Hi Fred,

I will also post the development of my BBTVR that I bought from Paul.

Opera

That's great. We can learn from each others. :worship:

small_ranchu

03-21-2010, 05:55 AM

Thanks Gary and Dan. I will try your suggestions.

small_ranchu

03-21-2010, 05:56 AM

Fred, the middle pipe is an overflow, right? Shouldn't it be lower than the edge of the tub? Maybe it just the way the picture was taken...:youtellme:

Gerard,
The middle pipe is a drain. If you remove the pipe, water will go down from there. It makes water change very easy.

afnaveils

03-21-2010, 03:01 PM

Gerard,
The middle pipe is a drain. If you remove the pipe, water will go down from there. It makes water change very easy.

Ok, I was thinking that you might have used it ALSO as an overflow by cutting it an inch or 2 lower than the edges of the tub. Then, you won't have a mess if you forget the water hose on.

suphi

03-22-2010, 12:26 AM

Ok, I was thinking that you might have used it ALSO as an overflow by cutting it an inch or 2 lower than the edges of the tub. Then, you won't have a mess if you forget the water hose on.

That's what I plan to do with mine. Siphon out the poops at the bottom during WC, then just let the new water in while the old water overflows out via the pipe.

marlin08

03-22-2010, 02:52 PM

With a small overflow system ( just a couple of tubs)what do you attach to the underside of the pipe to funnel off the water? (If you don't have a big elaborate system of permanent pvc for this).

bigbettadan

03-22-2010, 04:47 PM

You can adjust the tube for overflow, hook a hose on the bottom, run outdoors, and just place your fresh water hose directly in the tank at the bottom.... Talk about a easy water change...LOL

Dan

small_ranchu

03-23-2010, 03:05 AM

With a small overflow system ( just a couple of tubs)what do you attach to the underside of the pipe to funnel off the water? (If you don't have a big elaborate system of permanent pvc for this).

Check my system

http://goldfishkeepers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1835

small_ranchu

03-23-2010, 03:07 AM

Not if it is setablished.

I just tried and doesn't work for me. As soon as I removed the base, sponge is flying all over the place. Sponge is a six month old one. :youtellme:

small_ranchu

03-23-2010, 03:13 AM

Here is the detail video.. part 1

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bigbettadan

03-23-2010, 03:33 AM

Nice group..... Look foreword to seeing them as large tosai at the ARS show!
Dan

bigbettadan

03-23-2010, 06:16 PM

Hey, does that bigger on in the left hand corner have a crooked tail set? Or is it just the video?

Dan

small_ranchu

03-23-2010, 11:19 PM

Dan,
It's video + color. Don't make me cry. lol

small_ranchu

03-23-2010, 11:23 PM

My current feeding schedule.

6:15AM - Frozen Bloodworm (Depend on stomach size)
7:45AM - Frozen Bloodworm (Depend on stomach size)
---------

9:30 AM - Freeze dried Bloodworm (automatic feeder / Daze)
12:30 PM - Freeze dried Bloodworm (automatic feeder / Daze)
3:30 PM - Freeze dried Bloodworm (automatic feeder / Daze)

----------

5:00 PM - Frozen Bloodworm
7:00 PM - Frozen Bloodworm
9:00 PM - Frozen Bloodworm

If the stomach is getting bigger than head, they have to skip breakfast. :exact:

All suggestions are welcomed.

bigbettadan

03-23-2010, 11:23 PM

Just making sure.....LOL

Dan

small_ranchu

03-23-2010, 11:24 PM

Water Management...

Daily 100% water change.

Have 2 sponge filters (2" high) for just in case if I have to skip water change.

All suggestions are welcomed.

BruceP

03-23-2010, 11:52 PM

How many fish in how much water? Doesnt seem like 100% wc would be necessary if they were in enough water or is it because you are polluting the water with food?

small_ranchu

03-24-2010, 12:00 AM

It's around 40 g of water. I have 6 fish in it. I just want to have maximum growth.

Cincy Ranchu

03-24-2010, 03:23 AM

I like your fish very much, it seems they are different than the ones Dan and I have.

As for your feeding schedule, I think you will end up with fat fish. I would diminsh the feeding every 4th or 5th day to allow for fat adsorption which will give you better wens.

What temp are the fish?

small_ranchu

03-24-2010, 03:25 AM

70 now. getting better. :)

small_ranchu

03-24-2010, 04:01 AM

Gary,
This is what I scare about. I am coming from SVR experience and for SVR, I dont' care much about getting fat. TVR is different story though.

Ranchumaniax

03-24-2010, 06:00 AM

Now...you need to get some bowl for taking picture/video and water change! :gogirl:

Ranchumaniax

03-24-2010, 06:01 AM

I like your fish very much, it seems they are different than the ones Dan and I have.
What temp are the fish?

Because it is different bloodline......

Hondataeg6

03-24-2010, 07:19 AM

I can't see neither the video....

small_ranchu

03-24-2010, 11:43 AM

I can't see neither the video....

It's a youtube video. Are you on ipod?

mikel

03-24-2010, 02:02 PM

I think growing out a ranchu is the same as growing out a discus juvie fish....lots of careful water changes and lots of good food (high in quality protein).

I see that Frozen bloodworm is used often. I used to give that to my discus too until I realized that I can make a better food for my fish and it's less expensive (and cleaner...frankly the frozen BW gross me out).

Take...

8 fresh prawns (shell removed), one filet of Halibut or cod, 2-3 cloves of garlic, a cup of boiled spinach or peeled peas, a tablesppon of leftover Omega One spirulin supuer veggie flakes, crushed Ocean Nutrition (or any other brand of) pellets (crushed into dust), 2 crushed (into dust) Men's everyday vitamin tablets----throw everything into a food processor and whip until a gooey mess. Then, place the mess into a plastic ziplock bag, freeze. Then thaw and cut into small cubes, and throw into tank as needed for feeding. I think for goldfish, you might want to up the spirulina super-veggie flakes and the boiled spinach/peas more. My discus love this stuff (but their version also has chuncks of beef-heart added to this), and I will try giving this to my new orandas and ranchus when they get here. Any suggestion from the shifus on how to make this better would be appreciated! Thanks mike

suphi

03-24-2010, 02:16 PM

Hondataeg6

03-24-2010, 03:51 PM

It's a youtube video. Are you on ipod?

Nice... Found the video.

small_ranchu

03-24-2010, 04:47 PM

Fred, just don't make the same mistake I made with my Itoh. Don't underfeed the fish, they need to be fat at this stage or you'll get poor headgrowth. Bloodworms as much as they can eat, this is a proven formula for ranchu.

Getting confuse at this moment. Don't want a fat fish and don't want skinny one. I need a healthy one with a lot of muscle. I need to hire a personal trainer for fish now.

bigbettadan

03-24-2010, 05:07 PM

bigbettadan

03-24-2010, 05:10 PM

FYI..... I have raised discus as well. But ranchu and discus have one big difference, head growth. I am not saying your homemade food is not effective, as it could be great. But Quality BW is a proven head growth developer in ranchu...

Dan

suphi

03-24-2010, 11:08 PM

The Hattori batch from the Utube video were exceptional. These should be similar, unless they are culls/bad spawn. I would think Mr Boss would not have sent them if that were the case. I have not seen them yet, as I will not be getting them from Garys till next Sat........

Dan

The Hattori seeds are exceptional in most categories especially the tails, imo, the only weak part is the somewhat shorter body compared to other ones. But overall, I think the offsprings will turn out to be the best of the imported bunch.

suphi

03-24-2010, 11:33 PM

Getting confuse at this moment. Don't want a fat fish and don't want skinny one. I need a healthy one with a lot of muscle. I need to hire a personal trainer for fish now.

Fred, unfortunately you can't read Thai. Websites such as Siamranchu, Extreamranchu and even Bossranchu have plenty of "visiting famous breeders" articles where each breeders (both Thai and Japanese) explained how they raise/feed their fish in different stages. They even interviewed previous winners from AJRS (on Boss website), and guess what the least amount of feedings from that poll is 5x per day. Most winners feed their fish more often than that.

Of course you do not want to overfeed too much, but I believe there's a feeding threshold you need to find and only you can determine that. If you don't reach that threshold fish may not develop nicely. I believe I had it down when I had 3 TVRs in my tank, now that I have two extra ones it's almost back to square one again.

small_ranchu

03-24-2010, 11:36 PM

It is time to study Japanese or Thai. Thanks for your suggestion and I will keep my schedule which is about 6 times a day with bloodworm only.

TheTruth

03-25-2010, 12:43 AM

the babies look sluggish,i would cut back on freeze dried foods,i would add more veggies and raise the temp to 78 i also think you change too much water keep light on 24hrs they will color better let algie grow its good for them are you sure they are paracite free,good luck

suphi

03-25-2010, 01:38 AM

^Interesting point. My new nisai TVR were sluggish like that (actually much worse) when they first arrived until I did the big purge (prazi/copper/oxo). Now they're very active.

small_ranchu

03-25-2010, 03:45 AM

For sluggishness I will leave them for a while and see the progress. Suphi, what do you use? and how much are you using? Just in case.

I don't want to raise temperature for two issues. I am not sure tub can handle the heater and also want to go old method of having them in cold temperature.

suphi

03-25-2010, 04:52 AM

I use all 3 mentioned above at recommended doses. My fish are fully matured though. Prazi and oxo at full strength are safe for fry (did that last year with my itoh), dunno about copper with fry.

Ranchumaniax

03-25-2010, 06:27 AM

Suphi,

Let's get a new babies and have fun with us........

http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk113/xxxxxxxxxxxx/Ranchu/juniorshow0043545.jpg (http://s278.photobucket.com/albums/kk113/xxxxxxxxxxxx/Ranchu/?action=view&current=juniorshow0043545.jpg)
http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk113/xxxxxxxxxxxx/Ranchu/juniorshow0163557.jpg (http://s278.photobucket.com/albums/kk113/xxxxxxxxxxxx/Ranchu/?action=view&current=juniorshow0163557.jpg)
http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk113/xxxxxxxxxxxx/Ranchu/juniorshow0013542.jpg (http://s278.photobucket.com/albums/kk113/xxxxxxxxxxxx/Ranchu/?action=view&current=juniorshow0013542.jpg)

Hondataeg6

03-25-2010, 07:17 AM

Paul, I like the first and third baby ranchu...

nikond70s

03-25-2010, 08:08 AM

suphi

03-25-2010, 10:37 AM

You're killing me with those pics, those babies have the best form I've ever seen from you.

Ranchumaniax

03-25-2010, 04:07 PM

lol.....i was diggin' on Mr.Boss old forums and found these pictures.
These are Boss Bloodline 2004.......I do have couple piece look like these, but bigger tails.......lol

Also found some imported black baby ranchu from Japan. I looked at the price, and got scared! $120-175 a piece....

suphi

03-25-2010, 06:15 PM

I think those Boss bloodlines need some love here in the states. He should propagate them.

bigbettadan

03-25-2010, 06:19 PM

Five years from now, I want them to be our lines of ranchu. Thats what I am working for anyway. I hope some will join me.

Dan

themaniac

03-25-2010, 06:36 PM

Hey, does that bigger on in the left hand corner have a crooked tail set? Or is it just the video?

Dan

I have 10 total and one of them has crooked tail. Not sure if i cut it then it will grow back normal or not.

themaniac

03-25-2010, 06:55 PM

I'm speechless .

Suphi,

Let's get a new babies and have fun with us........

http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk113/xxxxxxxxxxxx/Ranchu/juniorshow0043545.jpg (http://s278.photobucket.com/albums/kk113/xxxxxxxxxxxx/Ranchu/?action=view&current=juniorshow0043545.jpg)
http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk113/xxxxxxxxxxxx/Ranchu/juniorshow0163557.jpg (http://s278.photobucket.com/albums/kk113/xxxxxxxxxxxx/Ranchu/?action=view&current=juniorshow0163557.jpg)
http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk113/xxxxxxxxxxxx/Ranchu/juniorshow0013542.jpg (http://s278.photobucket.com/albums/kk113/xxxxxxxxxxxx/Ranchu/?action=view&current=juniorshow0013542.jpg)

bigbettadan

03-25-2010, 07:18 PM

I was referring to crooked tail seat. Its angle the tail is connected with the body. Young with crooked sets must be culled unfortanately.......

Dan

themaniac

03-25-2010, 07:40 PM

So you think if i cut it, it won't grow back normal? If so i might end up giving this one away with my other low quality ranchus.

I was referring to crooked tail seat. Its angle the tail is connected with the body. Young with crooked sets must be culled unfortanately.......

Dan

small_ranchu

03-25-2010, 07:45 PM

I don't think cutting will work. But lets see the pic/video first.

bigbettadan

03-25-2010, 07:48 PM

If it is crooked, there is nothing that can be done. Now we are not taking about a curled fin, thats not the same thing.

themaniac

03-25-2010, 07:50 PM

OK, i'm not using the right terminology then. One side of the tail curled upward.
Sorry to derail your thread. :)

If it is crooked, there is nothing that can be done. Now we are not taking about a curled fin, thats not the same thing.

small_ranchu

03-27-2010, 06:17 PM

Here is the setup..

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suphi

03-27-2010, 06:47 PM

What's the device on the right edge of the screen, a second feeder?

The setup looks great, there's plenty of space of the little guys to grow.

small_ranchu

03-27-2010, 07:21 PM

Just one feeder. The other feeder is not working. There is one small air pump and one thermometer.

opera

03-28-2010, 02:44 PM

Hi Fred,

Just have time to take video of the BBTVR that I bought them from Paul.

http://s903.photobucket.com/albums/ac239/visa3_2009/?action=view&current=BBTVR_032710.flv

Opera

nygold

03-28-2010, 02:52 PM

Nice set up Fred. Looks good.
How deep is the water?

suphi

03-28-2010, 08:08 PM

Hi Fred,

Just have time to take video of the BBTVR that I bought them from Paul.

http://s903.photobucket.com/albums/ac239/visa3_2009/?action=view&current=BBTVR_032710.flv

Opera

That's the exact same tub I use for WC. You got a lot of TVRs, I see a few with great potentials.

small_ranchu

03-28-2010, 11:41 PM

Nice set up Fred. Looks good.
How deep is the water?

about 4 inches.

bigbettadan

03-29-2010, 09:01 PM

Gary and I went thru 21 Hattori CBRs this weekend. A few decent ones, but not close to the quality of the previous Hattori BBR video from the first batch. I will say as a disclaimer I am very picky. I guess we will see how they develop.

Dan

suphi

03-29-2010, 10:49 PM

From what I've seen, CBR/BBR from other bloodlines look better. They might be even better than the first Hattori batch that went to Singapore. But it's prob too early to tell.

opera

03-30-2010, 01:12 PM

That's the exact same tub I use for WC. You got a lot of TVRs, I see a few with great potentials.

Thanks Suphi. I am still very new on keeping goldfish. Hopefully, they will grow into adult fish.

small_ranchu

03-30-2010, 02:03 PM

Suggestion of aquarium thermometer for 100% water change.

marlin08

03-30-2010, 10:29 PM

Suggestion of aquarium thermometer for 100% water change.

I've got one of those on my stock tank. I love it ! Only thing I don't like is crappy suction cups that won't stick (especially one in tank)..

suphi

03-31-2010, 04:59 AM

This is my thermometer, good ol' traditional way.:)
http://www.chaaps.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/hands.jpg

small_ranchu

03-31-2010, 05:07 AM

suphi, I made a lot of mistake with the traditional method and don't want to risk any more. Anyway thermometer is cheap only $5 at ebay.

bigbettadan

03-31-2010, 05:10 AM

Nice Suphi...... are you a hand model??

LOL

Dan

BruceP

03-31-2010, 12:39 PM

Fred,,,,,,,, we used to think we needed thermometers in all our tanks so you can imagine how many of these we have/had. I have found them to be very INaccurate. Put 3 in a tank and get 3 different reading.
Pinpoint Wireless thermometers are relatively accurate and Fosters and Smith has them on sale for $33. Extra sending units are about $18 and the unit can read up to 4 sending units. I could have bought alot of Pinpoints for all the 5-10 cheapie thermometers that I have gone thru. :)

small_ranchu

03-31-2010, 12:52 PM

Bruce,
Thanks for the suggestion. Can you give me the link? So I don't look at the wrong one. Thanks again.

Found it. Thanks.

BruceP

03-31-2010, 04:37 PM

They also have flat rate shipping of 8.99.

http://www.fosterandsmithaquatics.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=12745

small_ranchu

03-31-2010, 05:25 PM

After looking at the link and price, I have some questions. Suggested product looks good but very fancy and expensive (for me).

I have found them to be very INaccurate. Put 3 in a tank and get 3 different reading.
Are you talking about the product which I suggested or thermometer in general?

BruceP

03-31-2010, 09:18 PM

We have had many of the little ones you posted a pic of and found them INaccurate. Besides the suction cup issue someone else mentioned.

suphi

03-31-2010, 11:42 PM

It can't be worse than my hand, lol. All the kiddings aside, after doing daily WC for a year and a half I'm at the point where I can make my sink water come out at 75 degree every time without having to test it.

small_ranchu

04-01-2010, 12:08 AM

small_ranchu

04-04-2010, 02:17 AM

What do you think now? 2 weeks under my feeding.

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bigbettadan

04-04-2010, 11:46 PM

They look right on schedule........

Dan

small_ranchu

04-08-2010, 11:31 PM

Pic of Fish 1

small_ranchu

04-08-2010, 11:36 PM

Pic of fish 2

small_ranchu

04-08-2010, 11:41 PM

Pic of fish 3

small_ranchu

04-08-2010, 11:50 PM

Pic of fish 4

BruceP

04-09-2010, 01:06 AM

Looks like you are doing a wonderful job with those fish, Fred :)

Hondataeg6

04-09-2010, 07:15 AM

Pic of fish 2

This one is my favorite of you're four babies...

suphi

04-09-2010, 12:19 PM

Very nice wen on fish #2 at this stage, definitely the one to keep an eye on.

bigbettadan

04-09-2010, 04:29 PM

Fish 2 is VERY nice....... 4 is not too far behind.

Dan

nygold

04-09-2010, 04:32 PM

All the fish look great Fred, I too like the 2nd fish.
Cool pictures too I like the very last picture, look at the quarter
in the last picture it looks like it's dented in on one side.

small_ranchu

04-09-2010, 04:59 PM

Thanks all.

so. why fish 2 is everybody fav? I love to hear from you. lol

Hondataeg6

04-09-2010, 05:08 PM

What i like about it.

Nice squared head with awesome growth so far
Great simetrical tail
Awesome super thinck penducle
Overall gret body confirmation

that why I like it

bigbettadan

04-09-2010, 05:16 PM

Because its a good fish, thats why I like it....LOL

Dan

small_ranchu

04-09-2010, 05:29 PM

What i like about it.

Nice squared head with awesome growth so far
Great simetrical tail
Awesome super thinck penducle
Overall gret body confirmation

that why I like it

Thank you.

Because its a good fish, thats why I like it....LOL

Dan
come on, you suppose to share your knowledge here. :me:

bigbettadan

04-09-2010, 05:57 PM

Just giving you a hard time.......

For this stage, a super fish. Great head, good funtan/hood development, wide body, thick peduncle, nice tail......

Feel better now? LOL

Dan

nygold

04-09-2010, 06:11 PM

I don't know much about TVR only what I learned from the internet.
The fish looks great from nose to tail it has a good square head, nice wen growth for it's size, a nice stout and symmetrical body, nice thick peduncle, and a nice open tail with out curled edges. Everything seems to be in perfect proportion. Like I said I don't know much about TVR but this is what I see.

harzan

04-09-2010, 07:21 PM

Hi SR,

These all look good! I t pays to pick out in person huh?:)

I look forward to seeing how these young ones grow out. You seem to get there the fastest, so keep posting the progress for us.

Thanks.

small_ranchu

04-09-2010, 08:42 PM

Gentlemen,
why don't you take pic of your fish and share your progress?

bigbettadan

04-09-2010, 09:14 PM

Because its a secret........LOL You will see them, the ARS show is not that far away...

Dan

suphi

04-09-2010, 11:33 PM

Gentlemen,
why don't you take pic of your fish and share your progress?

I'd love to join but I don't have any small ones now, they're all huge.

small_ranchu

04-11-2010, 03:02 AM

Increasing amount freeze dried blood worm and let's see what happen..

Ranchumaniax

04-11-2010, 04:25 AM

Don't worry Fred....I have more under my showroom! :exact:

Cincy Ranchu

04-11-2010, 03:19 PM

Are you going to put these in the sunlight this summer?

small_ranchu

04-11-2010, 03:24 PM

unfortunately no. I live in apartment where sunlight is very limited.

Bucks Koi

04-11-2010, 05:17 PM

unfortunately no. I live in apartment where sunlight is very limited.

Fred it's time for a new apartment !
Give them fish what they need and your lady friends will like it too!:banana:

johnatoranchu

04-11-2010, 05:56 PM

Thanks all.

so. why fish 2 is everybody fav? I love to hear from you. lol

Yes Fred, it's "a head" above the rest. Nice batch of fish, I look forward to seeing them in the flesh. Any chance of some pics from the side, (even if fish taken out of water for a moment or two)? Sometimes the look of strength from above is gained at the expense of peduncle curve and flat tail. I studied Paul's $400+ Ranchu which looked very promising from the top but side view didn't live up to my hopes/expectations and I hope that isn't a common failing in Boss fish.
John

small_ranchu

04-11-2010, 05:59 PM

Side view of my fish doesn't satisfy me either. I will take pic when I do water change next time.

Bucks Koi

04-11-2010, 07:15 PM

Side view of my fish doesn't satisfy me either. I will take pic when I do water change next time.

Fred
Did you get to hand pick these ?

:youtellme:

small_ranchu

04-11-2010, 07:42 PM

That's all he had. What can I do? Plus I am not allowed to get what I wanted for future sale purpose.

Bucks Koi

04-11-2010, 09:34 PM

Fred
I went to pauls last weekend and picked out two top view babys Hattori X Kageyama , I mean I picked out one and let paul pick out the other.
I wish I would have got the black baby because of the price, I may get a few more.
I also picked out a pair of top view orandas.
I wanted a pair of Jikin also but could not tell male from female .
Patrick

small_ranchu

04-12-2010, 12:47 AM

I am fine with top view too; that why I pick those 6. But if I have to consider both top and side view, it would be very difficult to get one.

Pat, why don't you show pics of your fish?

bigbettadan

04-12-2010, 03:15 AM

BTW..... my Hattori's are getting better. They are bringing me around....LOL

Dan

bigbettadan

04-12-2010, 03:17 AM

I also understand where John is coming from.... Some of the stongest tails from the top appear a little shallow from the side... But, the ideal ranchu looks good from all angles.....

Dan

small_ranchu

04-13-2010, 10:48 PM

These fish are about 3-4 months old. When should I start introduce pellet food to them? Thank you.

bigbettadan

04-13-2010, 11:17 PM

Now is fine. I feed Saki to mine once a day.........

Dan

suphi

04-13-2010, 11:34 PM

After 3 months I think pellets are important, else you won't get the body thickness...unless you're prepare to shell out $$$ for lots and lots bloodworms since they'll require a ton of those a day to stay bulky. Feeding pellets also slows down deterioration of water quality.

Anyway, I think your babies are developing very well from recent pics, keep up the good work.

Bucks Koi

04-14-2010, 11:37 PM

Bucks Koi

04-14-2010, 11:40 PM

Top View Orandas

BruceP

04-15-2010, 12:32 AM

Pat..... I like the tails on your new tvr's..... seems to have that 'thumbnail shape' that they are supposed to have.
Can't comment on the top view orandas or whatever they are. >:) Have any side view pix?

Bucks Koi

04-15-2010, 02:12 AM

NOOOOOOOOO side pixs !

harzan

04-15-2010, 08:06 AM

Fred
I went to pauls last weekend and picked out two top view babys Hattori X Kageyama , I mean I picked out one and let paul pick out the other.

Patrick

Hmmm...you are lucky I guess. Paul would not sell me Hattori, told me they were all sold to Gary and Dan...and Fred.

harzan

04-15-2010, 08:08 AM

johnatoranchu

04-15-2010, 09:46 AM

All these Ranchu seem very similar/consistent at this stage and without the advantage of side view pics bodies look promising but heads are short, "eyey" and hood development is lacking. Still much work to do.
John

Bucks Koi

04-15-2010, 02:42 PM

Hmmm...you are lucky I guess. Paul would not sell me Hattori, told me they were all sold to Gary and Dan...and Fred.:lair:

Yes Harris
They were all sold out that's why I said in first post that I wish I had purchased Black Baby's insead, but I waited to long.
So I had to get the color baby ranchus at a much higher cost.
No need to call him a Liar.
Sincerely
Patrick

suphi

04-15-2010, 04:52 PM

I am fine with top view too; that why I pick those 6. But if I have to consider both top and side view, it would be very difficult to get one.

Pat, why don't you show pics of your fish?

Fred
These are my new fish from Paul.

They look pretty good, Pat. I like the body and tail, especially on the orange one. Let's see what happens in a few months. Why don't you post pics of your big ones from last year also. I've been trying to fatten up the two Nisai that I got last month, but keep running into water quality issues with my small indoor tank and have to cut down feedings. Need my tubs soon, but the outdoor temp here is still in the 40s here at night and morning which is crazy.

Bucks Koi

04-15-2010, 05:07 PM

They look pretty good, Pat. I like the body and tail, especially on the orange one. Let's see what happens in a few months. Why don't you post pics of your big ones from last year also. I've been trying to fatten up the two Nisai that I got last month, but keep running into water quality issues with my small indoor tank and have to cut down feedings. Need my tubs soon, but the outdoor temp here is still in the 40s here at night and morning which is crazy.

Thanks Suphi
I picked the orange one and let paul pick the other.
Price was much higher than black baby's
I would post picks of the others, but one female was sold to some one else by mistake.
So I passed on the 1/2 pair, I was a little pissed off.
You did not get your tubs yet:-O
I think he should hand deliver them to you.
Patrick

small_ranchu

04-15-2010, 07:45 PM

Starting to feed them w/ pellet food.

Now is twice a day will increase to 3 times a day in a week.

bigbettadan

04-15-2010, 07:48 PM

I am now getting to feed live mosquito larvae...... wow, I forgot how fast they grow on it........
Dan

small_ranchu

04-15-2010, 07:50 PM

I am now getting to feed live mosquito larvae...... wow, I forgot how fast they grow on it........
Dan

Getting jealous. lol

themaniac

04-15-2010, 09:07 PM

WOW, that's hardcore! where did you get mosquito larvae?

I am now getting to feed live mosquito larvae...... wow, I forgot how fast they grow on it........
Dan

bigbettadan

04-15-2010, 09:19 PM

Well, I raise it, but you have to be diligent about harvesting. Don't want them to become adults......

Dan

harzan

04-15-2010, 11:07 PM

Yes Harris
They were all sold out that's why I said in first post that I wish I had purchased Black Baby's insead, but I waited to long.
So I had to get the color baby ranchus at a much higher cost.
No need to call him a Liar.
Sincerely
Patrick
Yesterday 10:46 PM

May be I am confused here...you did not buy Hattori? (BBR or NOT, cost higher or lower...not the point)

I apologize.

BUT...If you did buy Hattori:lair:

None of my fish were black...all colored.

harzan

04-15-2010, 11:14 PM

I did not want to sound like sour grapes Pat...and everyone else. Just factual.

I am happy with my fish overall and will take side pics since none yet.

I think they are fine...but you can judge John.

Are head growths expected to be so prominent at this age? I thought they were pretty good on some....especially Freds fish. I like mine moderate, so ...?

suphi

04-16-2010, 12:26 AM

Fred's fish (let's called it "Number Two" for now) has prominent Funtan which is a desirable feature and gives him a pretty good start in the grow-out race. Ahead of the pack, if you will.

I don't think that means other fish can't catch up in terms of wen development, it'll just be harder for that to happen. Of course I'm just talking about wen growth here, not taking other aspects into account.

suphi

04-17-2010, 02:00 PM

bigbettadan

04-17-2010, 04:13 PM

I agree, I like to keep them plump at this size. It is a critical stage for them, the more nutrients the better.....

Dan

suphi

04-17-2010, 04:17 PM

Fred's fish looks even better than the one in the vid that I posted. I think he's got a real keeper.

small_ranchu

04-17-2010, 04:32 PM

omg, suphi, you make me walk in the air. lol.

Theory of having fat kids remind me of my parents. They also prefer a little fat children than skinny one. As a result, I have to go to gym so much for weight control.

ak47_chicago

04-19-2010, 06:41 PM

small_ranchu

04-22-2010, 11:02 PM

Pictures after 2 weeks

small_ranchu

04-22-2010, 11:06 PM

Pictures after 2 weeks :yess:

small_ranchu

04-22-2010, 11:08 PM

Pictures after 2 weeks

bigbettadan

04-22-2010, 11:09 PM

Nice but looking a little yellow........ Maybe you need color bits..LOL

Dan

small_ranchu

04-22-2010, 11:10 PM

Pictures after 2 weeks :me:

marlin08

04-23-2010, 02:42 AM

They look amazing, so SOLID!!

Hondataeg6

04-23-2010, 03:43 PM

Youre doing a gret job Fred, youre ranchu are looking good

small_ranchu

04-25-2010, 01:09 PM

It's raining this morning and they are chasing like crazy. At least I know I have two male.

nygold

04-25-2010, 06:16 PM

WOW their chasing? How old are they?

small_ranchu

04-25-2010, 07:34 PM

5 months old

suphi

04-25-2010, 08:21 PM

They're precocious. >:)

nygold

04-25-2010, 08:30 PM

5 months old

What's the earliest age they can reproduce? Any idea?

suphi

04-25-2010, 08:50 PM

Probably around that age if you feed them well enough like Fred does. Don't think you'll get quality offsprings from fish that young, though. One of my SVR from Paul started laying eggs at around 5 mo last year, but it was probably due to trauma from shipping.

small_ranchu

04-30-2010, 10:10 PM

Cincy Ranchu

05-01-2010, 03:24 AM

Mine are similiar, I think you may have a little length on me, but the head is similiar....If they are chasing at this young age, make sure they don't kill the females

small_ranchu

05-01-2010, 12:02 PM

Are you putting them out door? I have two chasers atm.

suphi

05-01-2010, 02:13 PM

Fred, their headgrowths are quite decent.

small_ranchu

05-01-2010, 02:21 PM

Fred, their headgrowths are quite decent.
Hopefully it is the effect of giving them two big packages(16 oz) of frozen bloodworm every week.

Cincy Ranchu

05-01-2010, 03:56 PM

My new tubs are filled and aerating, the weather the last two weekends is preventing me from finishing up. I amy put out the two groups of Itohs and the Jinchu fish. I think the Hatori will remain inside until August. My Matsuyama ( 1 group) and Moden are already outside. The Hamamatsu are still inside....
Soon:exact:

suphi

05-01-2010, 03:59 PM

Hopefully it is the effect of giving them two big packages(16 oz) of frozen bloodworm every week.

I admire your dedication when it comes to feeding your fish. I'm gonna set up my outdoor equipments this weekend. Fish will go outside during the day, but will probably come indoor at night as the temp is still pretty cold and I don't have an outdoor heater or cover at the moment.

small_ranchu

05-03-2010, 03:50 PM

I got two schedules of two top Japanese breeders. Imogen, thanks for your translation :worship: :-* .

Lets analyze.

2:00 Back from work

8:00 Wake up
10:00 Give first feed
11:00 Change water (every day)
11:30 Feed second time
12:30 Feed 3rd time Basic frozen bloodworm
2:00 pellet mix gelfood
4:00 4th feed
5:00 5th feed
5:30 go to work
7"00 Food timer gives last meal (pellets)

Schedule 2. Other man

5:00am Wake Up
6:00 1st feed
Change water (once a day)
9:00 2nd feed
frozen bloodworms, pellets alternate with each fish making sure each gets both.

12:00 3rd feed
Go to work
3:00 4th feed

6:00 5th feed
7:00 Light on tank.
9:00 2nd last feed.

Light stays on till 10 am
10 am: last feed

suphi

05-03-2010, 09:11 PM

^yeah, according to the interviews that I read the minimum feeding among breeders/contestants that won All Japan Ranchu Show is 5x/day.

small_ranchu

05-03-2010, 11:44 PM

water change once a day. I don't know it is for baby or big fish though.

small_ranchu

05-06-2010, 08:56 PM

I was taking measurment of them yesterday and they are about to reach 3" milestone. I can't wait to hit the milestone so I can raise the water level to 6".

bigbettadan

05-06-2010, 09:32 PM

Congrats......

harzan

05-07-2010, 12:35 AM

Ok...how much water changed everyday?

If 50% or so....I can believe...100% = NUTS! My fish would die. I killed my BBTVR from Paul last year doing that.

Anyone here really do significant water changes daily?

suphi

05-07-2010, 01:02 AM

Here. I've been doing 90-100% daily for the past year and a half for my TVR tank. Sometimes twice a day since they poop so much and are bigger than before.

bigbettadan

05-07-2010, 01:46 AM

Well I only do once a week.......

Dan

small_ranchu

05-07-2010, 02:12 AM

daily 100% here. I don't do twice a day though.

Cincy Ranchu

05-07-2010, 04:29 AM

:exact:Dan is coming down this week to get some Veils and check out the competition... Fish go in the Tubs tomorrow; Matsuyama, Hamatsu, Moden, and perhaps Itoh. Maybe pics on Saturday!:exact:

bigbettadan

05-07-2010, 04:56 AM

If I have time Sunday, I will do some Hattori vids......

Dan

Ranchumaniax

05-07-2010, 05:01 AM

If you do 100% everyday, I notice that the fish will grow fast. However, it could lose their potential. Eventhough you might heavy feed to pump them fat. But those nutrient from food you feeding will go directly to the drain or fish can not fully get 100% nutrient to develop their structure.

Long time ago, somebody told me that fish produced some substance telling them to grow/not grow. And with water change, it will reduce those substance that produced from Goldfish. Water change is just a trick for goldfish hobbyist to keep fish in the fish tank, instead of pond. Since pond have a much bigger area where the substance will never been filling up and fish will grow fast.

I am, now, do not fully agree with those assumption anymore. Since I have been notice that water change will make fish poop(Experience from QT fish for shipping). But with age water, it will not make make fish poop that fast. So fish can digest more nutrient from the foods that I've feed. This way I can have my fish consume all nutrient contain in Expensive food i feed!

I am now trying this method on my current Babies TVR with good result. From the 1st day that they've arrived with noticeable wen growth and great potential, but they got sick for 2 weeks which make fish losing their potential including wen grow. They looked like bald head after they come back from the sickness. Now, they are fat and wen growth are acceptable to my eyes.

And also, with 50% change everyday could make fish too fat and go too wide on their body with heavy feed. So there are couple of tricks on water change and......:confuse: etc....etc....

Paul

bigbettadan

05-07-2010, 05:05 AM

I have never had a problem with growth rate doing only weekly water changes..... But then again, If I have to do water changes every day, I would still be breeding bettas...LOL

Dna

Ranchumaniax

05-07-2010, 06:28 AM

Dan,

I never have any problem with growing goldfish. That's easy! But to grow them nicely is the part where i am mentioned above.

Like this fish in the video. I imported him in April 2007. He was in the 1st shipment i have ever import goldfish to US and where Goldfishpassion was born.
I grown him from 2.5" to 6" from April to September....so that about 5 month indoor with only 3 time feeding per day in 75G tank...lol.......Oh Man! I really missed him! :cry:

Excuse for the soundtrack....

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harzan

05-07-2010, 07:17 AM

Gee...sometimes I go 2 weeks before a water change...and never a 100%...95% at most. I rely on my algae to keep things clean and have not been crazy about growth like many of you here.

Only the fry need cleaner water, but light green is fine with me too.

suphi

05-07-2010, 01:07 PM

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_MGfznEsT6tU/S-QASjUHAJI/AAAAAAAAAMU/GMbnzL40dn0/photo.jpg

^The condition of my tank every morning. I can usually get by with vacuuming before leaving for work, but can you imagine leaving this alone without WC for a week? This is also just an overnight poop, with the tank looking pristine the night before. I've been doing this for 1.5 years for it's not a big deal. It's not really about growth, but the need to keep my living room from smelling like dead rats.

small_ranchu

05-07-2010, 04:04 PM

I am doing fine with daily 100% water change. I believe they have what neccessary for them to have, head growth, thick pendencle and so on.

The things that I need to remind is water temperature and PH, make sure they are almost identical.

bigbettadan

05-07-2010, 05:17 PM

If you are going to do daily water changes, I would not do 100%.... Especially if you are using sponge filters....

I do agree with Paul as in you can get away with less water changes in a tub/pond vs a tank.

But I guess the proofs in the pudding. Look at my breeder videos Fred posted. Those were raised last year from BBR with only weekly water changes.

Dan

small_ranchu

05-07-2010, 06:04 PM

Even for baby, they are staying in 4" of water which mean less volume. This time I am trying to stick with Japanese method (from the Japanese book and mentors).

bigbettadan

05-07-2010, 06:08 PM

If it works why stop?

But when I send you videos of my lowly underdeveloped babies and their only once a week water changes... don't be too harsh....LOL

Dan

small_ranchu

05-07-2010, 06:11 PM

but there is a slight parameter change. I feed more freqently. If I have to do less water change, I have to feed less as well.

bigbettadan

05-07-2010, 07:09 PM

Thats another reason I like live foods. They live till consumed. Of course those Mosquito Larvae don't last long they just love them... Oh, I am finding red mosquito larvae in my culture.... interesting.

Dan

small_ranchu

05-07-2010, 07:22 PM

bigbettadan

05-07-2010, 07:32 PM

Till they grow wings and bite you........LOL

suphi

05-07-2010, 08:47 PM

We all have diff setups so whatever works for you stick with that. I went to home depot and found that 1-1/2" schedule 40 PVC pipe is a prefect fit for our tubs. I had them cut to 8" pieces right there, now I'm ready to roll.

bigbettadan

05-07-2010, 08:50 PM

Good to hear, you will enjoy them. But they do look dirty in a hurry, just warning you.......LOL

Dan

Cincy Ranchu

05-08-2010, 11:43 PM

Mine are set up and have fish in two of them, but it is very cold here ( 40's) so the additional placement and video will have to wait a week

small_ranchu

05-09-2010, 04:09 AM

suphi

05-09-2010, 02:30 PM

Fred, I think their head-growths are developing very well now compared to last video. Have to view in HD to appreciate this. The bodies are already good to begin with. Great job!

small_ranchu

05-09-2010, 03:59 PM

This year I stay home a lot and take care of fish all the time :)

bigbettadan

05-09-2010, 09:51 PM

bigbettadan

05-09-2010, 09:52 PM

bigbettadan

05-09-2010, 09:53 PM

Ranchumaniax

05-10-2010, 02:56 AM

Look at the way you catching your fish, i feel bad for their tails.....:badidea:

Here mine(Takahashi X Osawa);

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g55w04ygX8U

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suphi

05-10-2010, 09:33 PM

What's your water depth, Paul and Dan? I know Fred's is 4". From the look of Paul's video it can't be more than 8".

bigbettadan

05-10-2010, 09:37 PM

Right now..... 6.... when I first got them, 4.... They are no longer CBRs in my mind, they are tosai.....

Dan

suphi

05-10-2010, 09:48 PM

Good depth, I bet Paul's around 6" also. I like the tails from these batches, in general. They look better than the ones from previous year. I have yet to see anybody with huge funtan, though. Let's see what happens in a month or two.

bigbettadan

05-10-2010, 09:57 PM

Yes, in general the tails are better. I have seen some nice potential funtans, but its hard to see on the videos. Overall, my best Itohs are as good as the hattori batch I got, but the depth/consistancy is much better on these...

Dan

small_ranchu

05-13-2010, 12:10 AM

I flooded my place tody by forgetting to put the drain into bath tub. Cleaning time :(

BruceP

05-13-2010, 12:48 AM

Fred, Fred, Fred, what we gonna do with you? :badidea: Floor probably needed washin' anyway, right?:yess:

bigbettadan

05-13-2010, 02:07 AM

I hope the landlord did not find out....

Man. no one loves their fish more than Fred...

Dan

small_ranchu

05-13-2010, 02:24 AM

I am trying my best. grooming fish and cleaning floor. lol

Cincy Ranchu

05-14-2010, 12:47 AM

We all have flooding stories, it goes with the hobby:exact::yess::exact:

BruceP

05-14-2010, 11:57 AM

I have the cleanest basement floor...... gets 'washed' at least once a week... LOL

small_ranchu

05-17-2010, 03:10 AM

http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l68/smallranchu/ranchu/20100516/DSCN1564.jpg

http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l68/smallranchu/ranchu/20100516/DSCN1564.jpg

http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l68/smallranchu/ranchu/20100516/DSCN1564.jpg

small_ranchu

05-17-2010, 03:10 AM

http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l68/smallranchu/ranchu/20100516/DSCN1554.jpg

http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l68/smallranchu/ranchu/20100516/DSCN1551.jpg

http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l68/smallranchu/ranchu/20100516/DSCN1551.jpg

http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l68/smallranchu/ranchu/20100516/DSCN1551.jpg

small_ranchu

05-17-2010, 03:11 AM

http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l68/smallranchu/ranchu/20100516/DSCN1551.jpg

http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l68/smallranchu/ranchu/20100516/DSCN1568.jpg

http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l68/smallranchu/ranchu/20100516/DSCN1567.jpg

http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l68/smallranchu/ranchu/20100516/DSCN1565.jpg

small_ranchu

05-17-2010, 03:15 AM

I have 6 pieces all togther swimming in a 4" tub. Two pieces in post #220 is smaller than the others. Big guys are at 3" mile stone and the small ones are at 2.5".

Should I raise the water to 6" or wait until small guys to reach 3" milestone? I cannot seperate them into two tubs.

do you think small pieces has potential to become a good one? Thanks.

suphi

05-17-2010, 11:56 AM

They look great...a bit fat, but wen development is excellent. You don't get good wen raising skinny TVR. I don't know about the water depth, never had mine that low but it seems to be working well for you..

bigbettadan

05-17-2010, 04:56 PM

I think you would be fine going to 6 to 8 inch water depth at this stage.

Dan

small_ranchu

05-17-2010, 08:53 PM

Starting from tonight waterchange, water level will be 6".

small_ranchu

05-17-2010, 11:43 PM

Officially they are in 6" of water. It's also exactly two months after I received them.

Ranchumaniax

05-20-2010, 05:20 PM

Thinking to let's these go......Any taker?

http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk113/xxxxxxxxxxxx/Boss%20Bloodline/DSC_0594.jpg
http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk113/xxxxxxxxxxxx/Boss%20Bloodline/DSC_0593.jpg
http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk113/xxxxxxxxxxxx/Boss%20Bloodline/DSC_0595.jpg

suphi

05-20-2010, 11:04 PM

Don't tempt me, lol. The one with deep red head has very nice profile and the orange one has great wen...just my type. No, I don't have any money left.

nygold

05-20-2010, 11:09 PM

I like the orange one. Nice square head.

Cincy Ranchu

05-21-2010, 02:44 AM

The red female, bottom of the last photo is very cool fish.

Since my house is now warmthe head grwoth is coming on much like these, the funtans are now becoming horns

johnatoranchu

05-21-2010, 11:09 AM

Peduncles look OK but tails look very rigid with no flexibility obvious from the photos. Given their start in life and I guess they are now nearly 5 months old, I would expect to see greater wen development although their faces are developing.
John

Ranchu Rancher

05-21-2010, 04:43 PM

Paul: How much? Remember I'm poor just bought SVR.:)

Gregg

nygold

05-21-2010, 05:36 PM

In every picture the right side of the red fish (orange) looks to be buldging out further than the left.
Maybe it's just the pictures I don't know.:youtellme:

bigbettadan

05-21-2010, 05:42 PM

Thats why Gary thought it was a female..........

Oh, I also think the red is the best of the group at this point..

Dan

nygold

05-21-2010, 05:54 PM

I agree with you if I was to pick one the red one is the one I would choose.

suphi

05-21-2010, 08:14 PM

Video is needed. It's hard to assess from static pictures.

bigbettadan

05-21-2010, 08:16 PM

Very true.... the ranchu is a breed of form and MOVEMENT. This is a what separates it from alot of breeds....

Cincy Ranchu

05-22-2010, 01:56 AM

Paul: How much? Remember I'm poor just bought SVR.:)

Gregg

Many years ago, I started with SVR, you can easily start there and build TVR from these fish when they spawn, most people would say SVR are TVR that do not conform to TVR standards. Breed them and pick the TVR out and bam, you are there. Back in BS3, Parker came and went through all of my stock and we just picked out the TVR-like fish. It was a tutorial. The tough deal is always the peduncle seat, and making sure the fin rays do not pierce the bracelot. In two years ( F2) you are pretty close to where you want to be, then it is simply a matter of improving stock and outcrossing at F4 and running a line back and forth. I did this with my 97' line for a decade, before moving to actual Japanese fish. As my grandson would say, "do it"!:exact:

Ranchumaniax

05-22-2010, 05:06 AM

Paul: How much? Remember I'm poor just bought SVR.:)

Gregg

Gregg,

E-mail me....How's $25.00 a piece sound to you?

Paul

kitsilano

05-28-2010, 04:27 PM

Time to update video.. :)

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEuYdc3L02E

Hi Fred.....my first post in here. Your fishes look great....I have seen the other Hattori from the same batch at Boss Fish farm in Singapore...those in Singapore are slightly bigger and better headgrowth. Suggest don't change water and don't feed in a rigid manner....play with your water and feed management by observation.

Next week I am going down to the farm... as Kenny(Boss' Singapore partner) is bringing back from Bangkok the other batches of Hattori Spawns....Kenny is in Bangkok for the Thai Topview Competition this weekend. I will try to take some pictures or video to show some of those Hattori junior tosais and let you gauge and compare siblings developement.

Cheers from Singapore.

Richard

bigbettadan

05-28-2010, 04:37 PM

kitsilano

05-29-2010, 03:42 PM

Welcome to the site!

I am glad to get a good TVR guy located on Singapore on here. You guys have a good thing going there. Any input and advice to help us would be great.

I also have Hattori young from that batch. We are also getting F2's from last years Boss TVR BBR imports(Itoh/Kudo line). So far the results look promising.

Dan

Hi Dan....appreciate the warm welcome. Quite a bit of Itoh/Kudou and Sugiura/Kudou bred by BossRanchu landed in Singapore. I am keeping a few pieces and they are Nisai this year.

Cheers!!

Richard

bigbettadan

06-01-2010, 05:19 PM

Good news. Any report on the show last weekend in Bangkok?

Dan

suphi

06-01-2010, 06:06 PM

Here:

http://www.extreamranchu.com/mc/add_visit.php?wc_id=1&wq_id=3619

These fish are mini juniors. First 6 are champion ranks (number one takes the top spot), next 6 are runner ups, last 5 got the bottom-tiered awards.

This show was from March tho.

suphi

06-01-2010, 06:17 PM

Some pics from the 5/30 show below (mostly of people not fish):
http://www.extreamranchu.com/mc/wb_list_sub.php?wc_id=1&wq_id=3953
The official pics from this show will hopefully be posted in a day or two.

Below is from the Feb show, lots of nice adult fish:
http://www.extreamranchu.com/mc/scoop_detail.php?a_id=145&ag_id=5

suphi

06-01-2010, 08:19 PM

^There were almost 200 contestants, which isn't bad for one club--considering how messy Bangkok was with all the recent protests/riots. Kudos to the non-Thai who flew in to attend the show, lol, you guys are brave. They're expecting around 300 entries at the main event show--at the end of this year.

kitsilano

06-05-2010, 03:40 PM

.

Next week I am going down to the farm... as Kenny(Boss' Singapore partner) is bringing back from Bangkok the other batches of Hattori Spawns....Kenny is in Bangkok for the Thai Topview Competition this weekend. I will try to take some pictures or video to show some of those Hattori junior tosais and let you gauge and compare siblings developement.

The new fishes will be in Singapore in 2 weeks time. Meanwhile these are pictures of those that will not sold...not many left so I can only share a few pictures.

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t193/kitsilano_2008/Boss%20Ranchus/IMG_1517-1.jpghttp://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t193/kitsilano_2008/Boss%20Ranchus/IMG_1504-1.jpg

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t193/kitsilano_2008/Boss%20Ranchus/IMG_1512-1.jpghttp://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t193/kitsilano_2008/Boss%20Ranchus/IMG_1521-1.jpg

Regards

Richard

bigbettadan

06-05-2010, 04:42 PM

Very nice... I just went threw my Hattori young yesterday and I am VERY pleased... They are better than last years BBR imports. Very powerful peduncles...

Dan

King_oF_Ranchu

06-08-2010, 02:57 AM

Fred,

When will you update your TVR?

small_ranchu

06-08-2010, 11:34 AM

I have my family visiting in NY and extremely busy. I will try my best.

bigbettadan

06-14-2010, 12:00 AM

hattori enjoying the summer..............

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKvF0z6Gdcg

Dan