Some one help me, help me pleaseeeeeeee!!!!!!!!

[HNLim]

All my dead Tikus have this problem.
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Some one help me, help me pleaseeeeeeee!!!!!!!!

[johnatoranchu]

Best to contact a local specialist vet, rather than rely on hobbyists opinions.
Is the whole batch of fish dead?
John

[HNLim]

Best to contact a local specialist vet, rather than rely on hobbyists opinions.
Is the whole batch of fish dead?
John
I spoken to a vet before and they said that they are not trained to treat fish. They only learn through reading on their own.

[bluebelly]

There is a lab in Singapore I will get you info in meantime you can use my virologist. pm me and I will give you the info.

[HNLim]

There is a lab in Singapore I will get you info in meantime you can use my virologist. pm me and I will give you the info.
You think it is worth it to spend money just to treat a $1.40 tikus? It may cost me 100 times the cost of the fish.

[Virginia ranchu]

Have you tried any parasite treatments yet? Perhaps formalin at 50% of recommended strength for 120 minutes with strong aeration, then do a 100% water change. This will wipe out many protozoal parasites, and flukes too. Of course, test the remedy on one fish before the whole batch.

Goldfish are sensitive to formalin though, so that's why the half strength and limited to 120 minutes.

Rob

[flaringshutter]

You can find a fish vet in your area by going to aquavetmed.info and checking the "ornamental fish" box, then searching for your location. The search works worldwide, so you might have some luck.
That looks like gill flukes to me, I would treat with praziquantel.

[BruceP]

Almost seems like time is of the essence as it is killing fast. Of course scrape and scope is the first step but alot cant do that so you need something to shotgun treat them quickly. What I would do is hit them with both ProformC and PraziQuantel. Mix the Prazi right into the ProformC.
The normal procedure for this shotgun treatment is to ProformC for 3 days with 25% water change between treatments and adding the Prazi to the last Proforn C treatment but I don't think you have that kind of time. That'swhy I said add the Prazi initially.
MinnFinn may be another shotgun option but its pretty strong stuff to give fish in a weak state.
Be very careful of contaminating your equipment.... net, bowls, etc.
Best would be to get someone that knows what they are doing to do a gill scrape and put it under a microscope.

[johnatoranchu]

You think it is worth it to spend money just to treat a $1.40 tikus? It may cost me 100 times the cost of the fish.

But then you'll know the answer if it happens again and next time it could be a $1400 fish that's infected or, more significantly, a fish you really want to breed from.
John

[mikroll]

Hi HNLim, Gill maggots( Ergasilgus).
By the picture that you provide I see what looks to be very much like the artropod , copepod. Ergasilidae of which there are many many types visable to eye . (flukes need microscope to see) . It is an egg layer and lives in gills and inside mouth too. As they mature you will see the 2 eggs sacks of a darker colour contain from 50 -200 eggs . Prazi will not kill this parasite . Treatment is by neguvon (triclorfon) , or dimilin. also formalin , or KMNO3,etc. but problem with one like yours so young is that of infection secondary to the wounds. After parasite treatments, is needed antibiotics bath to prevent the bactirial and fungus infection.
These fish will prove very difficult to save .
Also your tanks, tubs and plants are also most probable also infected. this parasite are also found in live food collected from ponds or rivers suchs as little shirmps etc.

[sc569]

Your problem is that you may have infected your breeders and valuable stock.

The store bought fish should be culled immediately!! Is it worth treating them if you run the risk of infecting your show winners?

[Ichthius]

What you removed... Was it soft and squishy or sharp and firm? Hopefully the are yellow gillgrubs a digenetic treamatode. If that's the case it's usually not contagious without the other hosts. Prazi should treat it.

If it's a copepod dimilin works wonders.

Treat all your stock if you can as the drugs are very specific, won't ha the fish or biofilters.

Time for a microscope.

[HNLim]

Thanks guys for your concern and inputs. The white pin head is firm but well embedded in the gills of the fish by a very thin transparent "root" like a bean sprout.

This afternoon left with 6 Tikus. I checked their gills but they do not have those white pin head, but when I open the gill plate, the gills stinks very badly.

Just came back from my favourate tikus "hunting ground" with 5 new tikus. I want to try a new method of QT. I checked the gills, all do not have the white pin ball. I put them in 0.7% salt and no feeding for 5 days and see what happens?

[suphi]

Copper is an alternative option that should get rid of all parasites in free swimming stage.

[flaringshutter]

Copper is an alternative option that should get rid of all parasites in free swimming stage.

I hesitate to use copper unless you're keeping only fish in the tank. Copper can contaminate a tank for years and kill any inverts you plan on keeping - shrimp, snails, etc.

Definitely scrape and scope if you can to zero in on the particular parasite. I second David's recommendation for prazi and dimilin. If you don't have microscope access, I might try prazi first since it is so gentle, and if that doesn't work then go with the heavy hitter - dimillin.

[Ichthius]

Hi Iris

Do you have experience with dimilin being harsh on the fish? As far as I know if you do not have chitin it's ld50 is similar to rock salt.

In my experience dimilin is a wonder drug that has similar amazing results as prazi. Prazi's for flukes, dimilin's for anything with a chitinous shell.

I usually use salt and permanganate for general treatments and these two for laser guided bomb treatment.

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[HNLim]

Here is how the one that died last night looks like. Notice the red blood shot body.
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[flaringshutter]

David, I haven't used Dimilin before but have used Prazi many times. I know Prazi has a reputation for being gentle and I found it to be true in my tanks. Is Dimilin similar?

[Ichthius]

I treated a tank of clown knife at a pet store with pure powder. The fish were so far gone the store was going to put them down. I treated the tank, in a week it was amazing, there were a few worms left by two weeks the fish were back to normal.

It works by interrupting the chitin synthesis. So any time they need to grow or molt it stops them dead in their tracks. I believe there are several stages of free swimming anchor worms before they embed in the fish. It will kill them each time they molt.

It works at such a low dose and the toxic level is very high for a pesticide but it is still a pesticide and should be treated as such.

There are several pond formulations that will knock anchor worms and other copepods into oblivion.

In my mind it's right up there with prazi as a wonderful treatment for very specific pests.

[flaringshutter]

Good to know David! I will have to get some for my fish emergency cabinet. Always good to have some heavy hitting meds on hand.

[bekko]

The young anchor worms are molting every day or so, but the embedded adults do not molt very often. They don't die until they go to molt and there is no new shell forming underneath. So, it helps the process along if you pick off the adults and treat at the same time.

Dimilin is safe for the fish and safe for the fish keeper, but be careful where you dump the water. It persists in the water for quite a while and will kill many arthropods in soil or water, including the beneficial ones. I will kill Daphnia and mosquitoes larvae in a pond. Last I heard, its use was restricted to licensed applicators in New Hampshire, California and all of Canada.

-steve

[suphi]

Is that why you can't buy it anywhere now?

[HNLim]

Is that why you can't buy it anywhere now?
Singapore still have.

[Ichthius]

http://www.pondcare.com/Products/Product.aspx?ProductID=2
http://www.pondsuppliesonline.com/home/pso/page_3335_267/pondcare__dimilin.html

[bluebelly]

call Agri Food and Veterinary Services of Singapore, branch office Aquaculture Services or Animal Health and ask for Dr. Ling at 6567519850. Ask the cost maybe he can help