What do you guys think of my fish??

[bodyboarder]

Hello everyone!
Okthis is a male Silver/Bronze telescope eye, Originating from Singapore! It was classed as a S/B Butterflytail. and i am going to try to find a female to breed from him..
could you be so good as to judge the fish for me please??

http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp326/bodyboarder04/Demekins/DemekinBronceyPlata5.jpg

http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp326/bodyboarder04/Demekins/DemekinBronceyPlata1.jpg

http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp326/bodyboarder04/Demekins/DemekinBronceyPlata2.jpg

I have taken several views at different angles so you can view the fish with better angles than just one single photo.. and Yes he is almost a 12 pointer just missing the colour in his mouth LOL ( He is not as beautiful as the Red and Whites though, but his colouration is quite rare!!):yess:

[bodyboarder]

http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp326/bodyboarder04/Demekins/ADemekinBronceyplata3.jpg

http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp326/bodyboarder04/Demekins/DemekinBronceyPlata41.jpg

Last two pics of him! :youtellme: jejeje :-)

[small_ranchu]

it's a good one. thumbs up

[Cincy Ranchu]

Are you the guy in Spain that has the complete set of Cunliffe prints?

Merlin said that I was only the second customer for a complete set?

Love the fish, have some similair ones form Dandy Orandas here is the states

[bodyboarder]

CINCY RANCHU

Oh You must have me confused! I am not that Owner of a Single piece of Mr Cunliffe.. I have several large painting but from artists i have come to know in my life.. saying this I have seen Mr Cunliffe´s paintings and there is currently one on sale In Harrogate UK.. >:)

I would much rather spend my money on some more Chinese imports some ST Ryukins please and a female for my Telescope eye, and a nice pair of Blue Ranchu Or Lionheads :exact:

[bodyboarder]

Ps Great set of Videos CINCY RANCHU wow very very impressive

[judge]

It is a great butterfly dragon eye/telescope eye/moor fish. I wish the photo was taken in 10 G with natural lighting... Shoot from a bit far.

There was one fish like that won all china competition they call it dragon fire or something like that. (Memory not good)

If you ask me if I want that fish I would take it in a heart beat.

The fins are fluffy. The fish can hold it tail spread out. The body looks great with a good hump. When viewed from top the belly is round. Eyes are symmetrical without being large or out of proportion with the size of the body. Dorsal fin is straight and the fish can hold up right.
Feed nutritious food so the fins won't become stiff and the body won't become thin. Also becareful when you catch this fish pay attention to fins they can break both dorsal and tail fins... You don't want that... They won't look good once broken even though they would reattach.

Its excellent fish! If I have tanks and space, I would love to be creating these...

[bigbettadan]

Yes, I would have to see a good top view pic to pass a real judgement. After all, butterflies are really a top view fish.... but looks to be a fine fish. And the color/markings are beautiful...

Dan

[afnaveils]

Really nice color! I like this demekin. As Dan said, a top view of the tail spread may help better appreciate this fish.

[bodyboarder]

JUDGE,
You say it is a great butterfly dragon eye/telescope eye, I fully agree, but its Not a Moor at all as all moors have to be Black. Or am i miles away and incorrect LOL
It is impossible to shoot from any more distance away from the fish as it is a narrow corridor of fishtanks on both sides LOL and getting further back would have me crashing all over the tanks.. jajajaja:badidea: all my tanks are in the Garage so No natural lighting sorry .. you will have to wait until i have the pond going to photograph it from above i am not going to give the poor man a scare and net him out just for a set of photos.. no matter how short his memory span is LOL hahahahahaha.... and the brakage of the fins, i can also say that i have injured accidentally other fishes fins and even the colour has changed on the new union so do not want that on my Great looking fish ( or so you all say)
:yess:
DAN,
I will try, once i have it going, to photo him from above in the Pond in the garden! still looking to get a nice female for him preferably of the same quality to breed them.
ANAFAVEILS i will also try taking a picture from the top of the tank if i can!! its a difficult one to get any decent photos that way..

Thank you all for such a good going over of my Fish:yess: you make me a happy man knowing i am on the correct direction in looking for the Good quality fish!!:hi5:

[Mikey V]

I really like the color of this demekin, something tells me that tail looks great from the top.

gran pez! ¿Hablas español? Tengo familia de Sevilla, yo no sabía que había mucho de una escena de goldfish en España

[bodyboarder]

Pues si Mikey, hablo y escribo muy bien el Castellano aunque no soy español.
Sevilla esta a unas dos horas de mi casa por la autovia!! :)
Aquí en España somos muy muy pocos los que nos interesamos en serio por los goldfish.. Una pena ya que al no haber mucho interés es difícil encontrar peces de buena calidad.. Yo Importando desde China y Singapur para ir teniendo buenos ejemplares!!.
Guys its just a bit of chit chat on my Goldfishes with MikeyV nothing more!!

[judge]

JUDGE,
You say it is a great butterfly dragon eye/telescope eye, I fully agree, but its Not a Moor at all as all moors have to be Black. Or am i miles away and incorrect LOL
Fully agreed and my humble apology. I didn't know what you guys call this fish in Spain. That's why I was spouting out all possible names (actually trying to sound so cool at the same time to boost my ego. ha ha ha :D). You would be surprised how many people that I talked to refer to any fish that has telescope eye as moor regardless of the color or the body or tail shape.

If you are planning to breed this kind. There is a good article about butterfly tail types on fynnmood that I find it very good reference.

http://www.fynnmood-club.com/articles_butterfly_trail.html

Good luck and produce more of these cool creatures in the future!

[bodyboarder]

Well Judge No need to apologise :)
yes you are correct that nearly everywhere were i have been around this globe telescope eyes are called Moors .. In Spain they are Called Moritos.. meaning the same as Moorish.. I wonder why!! LOL
I am a member of Fynmoods club too, bodyboarder once again out there LOL..:yess:
Thanks for the link and yes i will try breeding from my Telescope eyes, the problem is finding a good quality Female.. something very very difficult to obtain in my area.. :youtellme:
You cannot imagine how lucky you guys in the States are as I have very few options ( none at the moment) of acquiring Fish of good quality.. there are No breeders in Spain and the few that I have tried contacting in the rest of europe are not very keen on much...

[bekko]

Sorry to drift off topic, but... 'Telescope' is an American name, but does not seem fitting at all. At the time the name was coined, a telescope was something that could be elongated and then contracted in on itself, and something that enlarged images so they could be seen more clearly. Protruding goldfish eyes do not elongate and contract and they do not allow the fish to see better (as far as we know). The British name of 'globe eye' is a little more appropriate, but not by much. There are a lot of dragon depictions in Chinese art, but dragons do not have protruding eyes either so why the name 'dragon eye'. 'Deme' means bad and the suffix kin means gold, as in goldfish. So 'demekin' would mean 'bad goldfish'. Is that appropriate? A name you do not hear much any more is 'pop eye'. In my anal retentitive opinion, 'pop eye' may be the most appropriate English-language name for this fish.

-steve

[bodyboarder]

Hi Bekko,
No Probs man, you can change the topic if you like Its great to Change views!!
Yes you are very Correct in your definition of the most apropriate term to call our Protuding eyed friends.. In the aspect of the dragon eyes, I have seen a lot of Asian Wood carvings of Dragons, My Better Half Collects them, we own Several and they all do have large protruding eyes, as all those that we have come across!! So This may be a bit of asian folklore that has rubbed onto this variety and well why not, Its a Mithical creature so who are we to say no to the CHINESE when they call them dragon eyes.. LOL

I like the chinese names as they were the original breeders and developers of so many twintail breeds that I prefer the term dragon eyes, But have used telescope eyes in reason that this forum is mainly of Americans and thats what you guys say.. ( This sounds like international politics LOL):)

[bekko]

I've been looking at dragon paintings and do not see any with protruding eyes, but did find a reference about dragons having large eyes so they can watch over their treasure. You are right about staying with the name given by those who developed the variety so from now on it's a 'dragon eye' to me.

-steve

[bodyboarder]

Well exactly that, I will also call them Dragon eyes!! :)

By the way BEKKO great looking fish you have I love The S T Ryukins, and well many others too Pity Hawaii is so far away from me :(

[bodyboarder]

Well this Fine example is up for sale as i have been unable to secure a good female for him and i dont think crossing the lad with the ryukins is a good idea LOL:)

[bodyboarder]

Well this Fine example is up for sale as i have been unable to secure a good female for him and i dont think crossing the lad with the ryukins is a good idea LOL:)

The Fish has been sold! Pity but that is how difficult it is to get a decent fish here in Spain...

[TheTruth]

this is a nice male fish with good potential .are the fins folded?

[bodyboarder]

this is a nice male fish with good potential .are the fins folded?

Well he was a real stunner, and No he did not have any folds on his fins.. I sold him a month ago to an Importer in Malaga city.. I could not get my hands on a female to match his great looks, So sadly I am know down to keeping Ryukins Only!!