Do you agree?

[HNLim]

Do you agree that it is time to break-up/sub-divide the "Goldfish Conversation" section into different varieties of goldfish like ranchu, oranda, pearlscale, ryukin etc. etc. to better accommodate the various discussions more effectively.

[orandablue]

but better labels on topic starts would be nice. or maybe not...be more specific.
What about mixed breeds?? Maybe have a "mutant cross breed Is this even a goldfish"section!?

[HNLim]

This is my suggestion:

Variety Discussion
1. Ranchu Section
2. Oranda Section
3. Veiltail Section
4. Comet Section
5. Ryukin/Fantail Section
6. Pearlscale Section
7. Telescope-eye Section
8. Mix-bred Section
9. Others

General Discussion

[afnaveils]

Do you agree that it is time to break-up/sub-divide the "Goldfish Conversation" section into different varieties of goldfish like ranchu, oranda, pearlscale, ryukin etc. etc. to better accommodate the various discussions more effectively.

Yes, I agree. This is how FYNNMOOD is set up and I find it quite a friendly approach. The hobbyists who are interested in particular varieties can go directly to the corresponding posts.

[Ichthius]

I think the forum has more sections than posts per day. If you make to many divisions people don't know where to look or where to post.

[bigbettadan]

I agree with David..... It works well as is and does not spread traffic.....

Dan

[HNLim]

Why not give my suggestion a try. If it works out fine, then the work load to split them at a later date becomes massive after some time. If it does not turn out fine, we can always revert back to current with noy much problem at all.

[flaringshutter]

I enjoy having everything mixed in - it allows breeders and keepers with different specialties and interests to learn from each other. I also agree with David - I think we need more posting before we make more sections! But it's definitely a good suggestion for the future.

[johnatoranchu]

This is a difficult thread to answer in many ways as it can be frustrating when replies to a thread suddenly go off at a tangent which means that it can be difficult sometimes to go back to an interesting exchange if the "thread" had little bearing on the subsequent discussion. However, this would probably happen regardless of the number of sub-divisions in the site. Perhaps a sub-division for those interested in genetics would be valuable but other than that I say leave well alone.
John

[opera]

I agree with Jon. Genetics is so complicated that can be used for the whole section to discuss it.

[Ichthius]

Is there a way to tag a thread with a specific term so it would we could get better results from a search?

[small_ranchu]

Is there a way to tag a thread with a specific term so it would we could get better results from a search?
We will see it in Ver 4.0 which I am waiting for it stability and more add on.

[nygold]

Although it may be hard to do I think HNLims idea is great it's much more organized and easier way to look for information. Threads always go off on tangents but the meat and potatoes will be right were you expect it to be.
Just one thing I don't agree with is putting Ryukin and fantail in the same catagory. Just my 2 cents.

[Ichthius]

So what if I call my fish a ryukin and you think it's a fantail? ;)

Or what if a ranchu discussion turns into a matt/nacreous/metallic discussion?

Or What if a vendor gets offended for people chiming in on his attemps to make a sale? Does this go in the vendor section or does it go in the ranchu discussion section once it's morphed into a discussion about only buying $10K fish instead of bbr?

My point is this is a living list and it's going to go where the discussion takes it. I no longer participate in forums that are constantly being moderated and redirected by people who care more about the structure and organization of the content than the content itself.

I'd be happy with just one category. Goldfish. The search function is there and it sounds like it's going to get better if we can start tagging them.

[nygold]

So what if I call my fish a ryukin and you think it's a fantail?

Or what if a ranchu discussion turns into a matt/nacreous/metallic discussion?

Or What if a vendor gets offended for people chiming in on his attemps to make a sale? Does this go in the vendor section or does it go in the ranchu discussion section once it's morphed into a discussion about only buying $10K fish instead of bbr?

My point is this is a living list and it's going to go where the discussion takes it. I no longer participate in forums that are constantly being moderated and redirected by people who care more about the structure and organization of the content than the content itself.

I'd be happy with just one category. Goldfish. The search function is there and it sounds like it's going to get better if we can start tagging them.

The problem isn't when your here it's when you come back and try to find the treaded you were involved in. If your talking about ranchu and your come back in 2 days you have a good idea of where you were if you have a ranchu section. Right now it could be anywhere.
The only reason I would like to see Ryukins separate from fantails is it seems the hardest fish for newbee's to figure out. They keep coming to web pages and showing fantails they bought from petsmart and asking "What is this".
To put them into a ryukin/fantial area is just going to add confusion.

It's not about were a thread ends up it's where it starts.
If it starts with breeding comets and it ends up with buying comet then stop reading after you learned about breeding. If the buying portion is so stimulating that it must be under the vendor section then cut the thread in half and put the buying part under vendors with a new title. Buying comets.

[small_ranchu]

At this point, I would leave the way it is right now for the following reasons
- It becomes too many categories. Whenever I visit Fynnmood site, I hardly go into each individual category. I just have to look at need feed and read info.
- You can use search feature at the top to find your old post.

Thanks for your suggestion. We will implement this suggestion when the site is reaching a larger state. Thanks again.

[johnatoranchu]

At this point, I would leave the way it is right now for the following reasons
- It becomes too many categories. Whenever I visit Fynnmood site, I hardly go into each individual category. I just have to look at need feed and read info.
- You can use search feature at the top to find your old post.

Thanks for your suggestion. We will implement this suggestion when the site is reaching a larger state. Thanks again.

Fred, you do an excellent job. It's your site and Ideas are excellent but you will never be able to please everybody and we must not forget that you are the one doing all the work essentially for our enjoyment. Do what YOU think best.
Many thanks
John

[BruceP]

I mostly use NEW POSTS to find out whats being posted to.
One forum I belong to has way too many thread categories and sometimes I dont post because I cant figure out which category it should go under........ Keep it simple!:)

[small_ranchu]

John, I am dealing with same thing for my daily job, users' requirement/ users' suggestions/ site enhancement. We have to do feasibility study before we start working on the issue/suggestion. For this thread, I was doing feasibility study since HMLim has posted the suggestion. This is one of the reason for late response. I am trying my best for goldfish hobby and hope everybody enjoy it.

I really appreciate the suggestion which we can keep it for later stage.

Thanks everybody.

[HNLim]

In years to come when you have thousands of threads, you will appreciate my suggestion.

[small_ranchu]

Since you post it from day one, we appreciate your suggestion. It is showing you do care about the progress of the site. Thanks Mr. Lim.

[marlin08]

Fred, you do an excellent job. It's your site and Ideas are excellent but you will never be able to please everybody and we must not forget that you are the one doing all the work essentially for our enjoyment. Do what YOU think best.
Many thanks
John

Ditto...=)

[Jed]

I personally like the way things are. I think you get more feedback when you have one category as oppose to several.

[small_ranchu]

Is there a way to tag a thread with a specific term so it would we could get better results from a search?

Sorry for the previous information. There is a way to tag a thread when you submit a new thread/post new topic. There is a place to put your tag word underneath the text are. You can put up to 25 words. Only for new post, you cannot do it when you reply old post.

[mushrooms]

If anything, I think a forum should really minimize the sections as much as possible. Although a serious breeder area should be maintained since this is what makes this forum so unique. One thing with too many sections is the activity is dispersed and often many threads can go unviewed and unanswered. I believe most people consider it a PITA to go through all sections.

One feature that I think would be great and improve activity is to have a list of recent post on the main page. See this site: http://socalaquascapers.com/

Only when a certain section gets busy, then a new section can be created for the specific topic it is overflowing with. For instance of the pond section is overflowing with Shubunkin topics, then I think a Shubunkin section could be made accordingly.

I actually think the sections here should be reduced. Picture and Video can be just a Gallery forum. Thats just my opinion. Then one might arise the question, what if you one only wanted to view a certain topic of discussion? LIke for instance Video threads only? Then thats what tags/labels are for! I really encourage all to use tags to label their threads. It can really help people find answers for for certain stuff, where keyword search haven't helped yet.

And lastly, if anything could be added, is a a section for threads considered full of invaluable information could be moved into. Like what other forums have called an Archive section.

[Cincy Ranchu]

Tun Tun,

This is the best run fish page anywhere, and I think it is just fine as is. If I had a preference, I would change the timer on how long the threads stay visible. Some days threads that are there in the morning are gone when I recheck in the later evening ( or so it seems).

I thank Fred, for your time and effort. All in this has made my hobby more enjoyable and I have picked up some really great friends....:exact::yess:

[small_ranchu]

mushrooms,
Thanks for the concern and we will try your suggestion one day.


One feature that I think would be great and improve activity is to have a list of recent post on the main page. See this site: http://socalaquascapers.com/

So. Cal Aquascapers is using Portal for their main page. I am not sure I want to use portal here yet since portal can become PIA sometime.

And lastly, if anything could be added, is a a section for threads considered full of invaluable information could be moved into. Like what other forums have called an Archive section.

We have automatic Archive section from software :) :exact:

[small_ranchu]

I would change the timer on how long the threads stay visible. Some days threads that are there in the morning are gone when I recheck in the later evening ( or so it seems)

Gary,
I will open ticket again with the software company. :)
Thank you.

[marlin08]

It is easy to find sections that have new posts since your last visit, just scroll down the main page and look on the left of each section for the yellow note under stickpin - that tells you all the new threads and/or posts for the day - makes it very easy to find them :exact:
Sometimes if you keep changing to make things "better" other problems come up, I think the set-up here works very well, Thanks Tun Tun !

[small_ranchu]

Gary,
I will open ticket again with the software company. :)
Thank you.

Gary,
I just changed the setting which will last longer. :)

[marco1]

I agree there are plenty of subjects and threads to choice from now. Let's not confuse things even more. Let's just enjoy what we have. We are not professional's, at least I'm not and I have been raising Koi and goldfish for years in several large ponds as well as having owned and operated a tropical fish store.

Maybe what you need is another site for those of you who are serious breeders or professional's. Perhaps some one out there would like to take on the hard work needed to start a more seriously dedicated site.

Don't drink the water
Fish pee in it.

[Ichthius]

Maybe what you need is another site for those of you who are serious breeders or professional's. Perhaps some one out there would like to take on the hard work needed to start a more seriously dedicated site.

Welcome to goldfish keepers, the forum for serious and professional goldfish keepers!