Siphon/Overflow vers Drilled Overflow?

[VeiltailGuy]

All,
Checkout this article..what are everyones opinion on this siphon/overflow system vers drilling tanks and doing a overflow that way...any pros or cons to either that come to mind? other than not having to drill your tanks?>:)

http://www.aquarticles.com/articles/management/Krampetz_Automated_Water_Changing.html

[Ichthius]

I've made many siphon based over flows and had my hole room running on them. Once you drill you don't go back. Every tank I own have atleast one hole.

[WakinAZ]

Siphon overflows are more prone to fail. There are horror stories, enough I've decided to wait on sumps until drilled tanks are a realistic option for me. There are safeguards for the siphon setups that the guys who have them can explain.

[johnatoranchu]

I agree, syphons can be dangerous. I use stand pipes on all my ponds and tanks. Are these available in the States? Basically it is like a normal sink plug hole configuration but instead of the hole being blocked by a plug it's blocked by a pipe. The plug hole is located in the base of the tank/pond and water overflows through the top of the pipe. Advantages over other systems are many including - removal of the pipe empties the tank/pond completely and the length of pipe (and therefore the depth of water) can be of any length you choose. My stand pipes are 40mm, necessitating drilling 50mm holes in tanks/ponds.
John

[small_ranchu]

John,
I have never seen the one you are talking for tank. I have seen them in tub though

[bluebelly]

Only use overflow siphon on earthen ponds. Draw from the bottom to refresh the pond in a rain. Only once had to retrieve brood fish from neighbors lawn after a big rain. I now have screening that has to be cleaned but little fish always sneak thru.

[Ichthius]

Hi Dave

what size pipe on the pond siphons?

[Cincy Ranchu]

So ichthius is the guy I told you to talk to and you see his response.

You need a drilling lesson let me know, slow speed, water spray and a drill cradle with clamps are the tools

[bluebelly]

Hi Dave

what size pipe on the pond siphons?
6 inch pvc with stainers

[Cincy Ranchu]

When you get done go over to Dave's and move him into the 21st century, water changer with buckett guy:exact::yess::exact:

[VeiltailGuy]

Thanx for all the imput guys...I think im going with drilled tanks, and either a gutter system as a drain or large diameter Pvc...

[Ichthius]

If the tanks are not going to move I prefer to hard plumb them together. Having air gaps lead to gunk creaping out of the gaps or water shoot out if you fast draining a tank by pulling the stand pipe. For 20 gallons I plumb out the bottom and use a one inch pipe to drain as many as 6 tanks per run. You can't rip the water through the system but it's more than sufficient for a recirc system.

All my drain lines a silicones. It makes life very easy especially when you get down to the last few connectios or if you have to change or move something. For drains I also prefer class 200 sprinkler pipe. It's cheaper and has a large internal diameter. It's also a breeze to cut with a tubing cutter. Ratchet cutters tend to crush and Warp the pipe.

[Cincy Ranchu]

All,

Any body use house gutters for the drain, the locals and I have been talking about that for years but we have not done, the advantage seems to be "you can see the loast fish or gunk blocking the drainage? Comments/Experience?:exact:

[Ichthius]

Been there done that. You Get a lot of funk and drips from splashing.

It's kind of like where some of your twenties go into the 1.5 or 2 inch pipe on you top row. If you make that tight you can simply pull the stand pipe or over flow the stand pipe all you want. With an open connection water splashes out along with waste.

[bekko]

The gutter is flumsey, it twists and is difficult to support.

-steve

[bluebelly]

When you get done go over to Dave's and move him into the 21st century, water changer with buckett guy:exact::yess::exact:
my bucket has a pump in it with a hose attached so almost there.

[VeiltailGuy]

So Dave when u stop in, we may need to send u home with a python for water changes, gotta get u away from bucket, your as bad as someone else you and me know!:exact:>:)

[Cincy Ranchu]

Somebody go help him move into the 21st century....

[Ichthius]

Will plumb for fish!

We should do a plumbing session at the social.

[Corrie]

VG, something to keep in mind.
Looks like you're just getting this setup, and would be using a common sump.

If you are, it's a big help to use a large sump that holds a little more than the
total water volume of the whole system.
That way you can drain the sump, leave enough water in the sump to still run the pump, and do a 50% water change.
With a little clever engineering, you can fill the sump back up automatically -slowly- and you don't even have to be there.

Corrie

[George Ludrosky]

So Dave when u stop in, we may need to send u home with a python for water changes, gotta get u away from bucket, your as bad as someone else you and me know!:exact:>:)

Give me some credit...I have started to use sponge filters now.

If Dave gets a Python and will use it then so will I! (but if he dosen't, then I don't have to:yess:)

[VeiltailGuy]

So Dave seems this means you MUST take home a python when u visit!>:)>:):exact: