TVR tail slection and culling with photos

[judge]

I am not sure if anyone has already came across the following thread from RafflesGold.

http://www.rafflesgold.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=4715

It is the step by step guide for TVR selection and culling. It has photos and Japanese text together with circles and marks why the fish didn't make the cut.

[bigbettadan]

Thanks for the great Link. Geert put some really useful info on that page. I adivise all ranchu lovers to study...

Dan

[judge]

Thanks Dan.

It looks like RafflesGold Forum block the access to that page now.

Today I wanted to reference a good tail structure again and I can't get to it anymore as a guest.

It was open to public when I read it...

[bigbettadan]

You have to register, but it is no big hassle. It is worth it for that info alone...


Dan

[suphi]

Tommy's site (goldfishnet) is now selling some top-view ranchus. They don't quite look it to me with short body and tiny peduncles. Maybe the Chinese variant. What do you guys think?

http://www.goldfishnet.com/images/Auction/213%20rd%20A%20072.JPG http://www.goldfishnet.com/images/Auction/213%20rd%20A%20075.JPG

[bigbettadan]

Those would be VERY poor ranchu. The body is WAY too short, the heads are too stout, and the tails are soft. Definately not Japanese line ranchu. I did see a decent one on there not too long ago, but the peduncle was weak. But much better than those......

Dan

[Cincy Ranchu]

My comments are similiar to Dan's, but my observation is that over the next five years the Chinese fish could easily dominate the TVR market, a little work on length, and a wider and better tail seat or peducnle, and proper shoulders and bingo a $50 Tosai!

TVR for everybody by 2015!

[judge]

I went to Tommy's place a weekend ago. I saw those little guys. Tommy said he got it from Thailand from a small firms...

He has some Thai Orandas as well. But unlike Chinese they were flipping over in Dallas winter. They die a lot too.

I looked at the tank that contained Chinese fish they were all doing fine.

He has the best Ryukins that I have ever seen. Those are all Chinese and when he was in China he saw Japanese now coming to china to buy those Ryukins. Because in color variations and body depth/Hump wise they are the best.

They did all these color variations as well as body depth within a very short period of time. Even in calico the body depth is none like before. I can't see these two years ago but it is very common in Chinese Ryukin now. As well as Tri Color and chocolate colors.

The way they stabilize these in a short time, its beyond my limited knowledge.

We seldom forgot who started Goldfish strains and who created the most goldfish strains and color variations. It would the Chinese.

I had conversation with Tommy about how Chinese can create and stabilizes any colors and any body shape. He told me how they choose their seeds. None that I would have thought.

They don't have fancy equipment and higher education, but they manage to create these magnificent strains.

These small firms are doing this for generations and knowledge has been passed down from father to sons.

Sadly for these poor farmers they had nobody who would market their fish for.

They have no or limited access to outside world and internet technology.

So sometimes their choice of breeding based on the demand of the market within.

Tommy told me how he could not find any Jikin when he went back this time. When he asked they said there were no demand.

[suphi]

I didn't know Tommy also imports fish from Thailand. I agree with Gary that China is in the best position to dominate TVR market should they decide to. They've got all the necessary resources and man-power and they've been doing extremely well economically.

They could potentially commercialize and flood the TVR market in the near future with high quality but cheaper ranchus, like they did with other commodities.

[bekko]

I doubt that the Chinese would bother. There's no market for TVR.

-steve

[bigbettadan]

I don't really want them "mass produced". It cheapens it for me. I doubt they would want to bother with the painstaking culling that comes with it.

Dan

[Cincy Ranchu]

I don't really want them "mass produced". It cheapens it for me. I doubt they would want to bother with the painstaking culling that comes with it.

Dan

Yes, then you would have to resort to Philladelphia Veiltails-LOL

[bigbettadan]

LOL..... yup

Dan

[bekko]

Good TVR are expensive for a reason. The percentage yield will always be very low because the standards are so exacting. If it was easy to mass produce them then it would have already been done.

-steve

[bigbettadan]

Correct. There is a reason you can Mass produce good Ryukin(and I like a good ryukin) vs TVR, tosakin, and the other difficult breeds).

Dan