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bigbettadan
12-18-2009, 02:07 PM
This is the most common "standard" you see published....

INTRODUCTION : The RANCHU was developed and perfected in Japan. The RANCHU came into being at the beginning of the Meiji Period (1870-1885).

Even though there is no official Japanese Standard of Perfection for Goldfish, this Standard of Perfection is made according to the established Japanese norms. This Standard of Perfection is constantly liable for adaptation if the norms change or evaluate in the land of origin. It will never be the aim to handle norms which are contradictory with the norms in Japan. The
RANCHU is a Japanese Goldfish and this has to remain this way.

As the RANCHU is a pond fish and is most often seen from above, the appreciation and judgement happens from above.

On Japanese shows, the RANCHU is exhibited in white enameled bowls.

APPEARANCE : The general appearance of RANCHU is very importance. It is necessary that there is a good balance between the head, the body and the tail. The RANCHU should be able to swim in a powerful and elegant manner; the movements should look easy and should be beautiful.

HEAD : The head should be long, broad and rectangular. The skull should be deep. The distance between the eyes or mehaba should be as broad as possible. The distance between the eyes and the mouse or mesaki should be as long as possible. The eyes should be small and set in the right position; neither too high nor too much forward. The hood or wen is a thickening of the skin on the head. Thanks to the hood the head gets a nice rectangular shape. A good RANCHU has a hood that develops on the entire head, on the gills and around the eyes.

BODY / Back:
The back should be wide. The RANCHU has no dorsal fin. The scales on the back are small and well arranged.

When seen from the side, the line of the back should be perfectly curved from the end of the hood or wen until the beginning of the tail. The last part of the back that is strongly curved is called sesagali. The sesagali is very important with RANCHU. RANCHU with a long back have a slowly curved.


Sesagali : and RANCHU with a short back have a sharply curved sesagali. The joint of the tail with the caudal peduncle should have an angle of 45 degree.

Abdomen:
The abdomen should be symmetrical at both sides.


Caudal Peduncle:
The caudal peduncle joins the body with the tail. The caudal peduncle should be as wide and robust as possible. The caudal peduncle is very important when judging the RANCHU.


SCALES : The scales should be small and well arranged.

TAILS : The tail should be symmetrical and attached to the body in an elegant manner. The tail should not be too wide. The tail should be soft and elastic, not stiff. When the RANCHU moves,the tail should be slightly shut inside; when the fish stop, the tail should open as if a floweropened. This shut-in-and open movement is one of the most important points to evaluate thebeauty of a RANCHU. The tail should be small in size, but look big.

There are three types of tail with the RANCHU : four-tail, three-tail and cheery blossom-tail.

The perfect tail is four-tail. The slit in the center of the tail should be as narrow as possible so that the four-tail looks like a three-tail. Thanks to this, the four-tail receives less pressure when the fish swims.


The bracelet or oza is the small scales around the caudal peduncle at the tail. When seen from above, these scales are set like the pearls in a jewel necklace or bracelet. The larger bracelet means the stronger and thicker the caudal peduncle. The small scales of oza should be well set like a bracelet or jewel.

The end of the caudal peduncle, where the tail is joined to the body is called ozuke or tail joint. The ozuke should be symmetrical and should not slope down when seen from the side.

The tail has the tail-shoulders or oshia left and right; this is were the tail folds when the RANCHU swims. The tail-shoulders should be symmetrical and should be straight until the end.

The tail-core or oshin is the line that divides the tail in two even parts. The tail-core should run through the center andand should not come in the bracelet or oza. When seen from the side, the tail-core should not be too high nor too much down.

The tail-tips or osaki should be round and bisymmetrical. They should not be overlapping,
curling or twisting.

The tail-dish or ozara is the underside of the tail with the small scales. The scales are small and well ordered. The wider and the stronger the tail-dish means the more beautiful and the more powerful the tail.

FINS : the pectoral fins, the ventral fins and the anal fins are small. The RANCHU can have one or two anal fins. The ideal is a RANCHU with two anal fins, but a RANCHU with one anal fin is not a fault. The anal fins should not be visible when seen from above.

Color : The RANCHU can have the following colors
- The whole body and tail color is deep.
- The whole body and tail is reddish yellow-orange.
- A combination of red and white.
- A combination of reddish yellow-orange and white.
- Red scales with a white edge.
- White.

SIZE : When judging a RANCHU, the size should never be taken into consideration.

CONCLUSION : The RANCHU should be a beautiful, well balanced fish that can swim well. A deformed RANCHU will never be beautiful and will swim fatiguing. One will see immediately, if a RANCHU is a good RANCHU

King_oF_Ranchu
12-18-2009, 04:37 PM
Well....Dan! Make sure you get permission from Greet Copper before you post this article!

Cincy Ranchu
12-18-2009, 11:28 PM
Nice start:

I don't get this sentence: "Sesagali : and RANCHU with a short back have a sharply curved sesagali. The joint of the tail with the caudal peduncle should have an angle of 45 degree."

You are going to have to develop a series of appendices that include:
Definitions, ilulstrations, a discussion of other standards, ie. AGA, GBGS, and a discussion about how other fish are not Ranchu by description or discussion, ie. the lionhead.
I also think you need a working group and meeting this winter:exact:

bigbettadan
12-19-2009, 03:39 AM
Do you want to try to have a meeting at your place, or maybe a E meeting???

Dan

small_ranchu
12-19-2009, 03:51 AM
maybe a E meeting???

:exact: :exact:

bigbettadan
12-19-2009, 04:00 AM
Do we have any volunteers to help put a standard together????


Dan

Cincy Ranchu
12-19-2009, 04:09 AM
I could easily sponsor a Saturday meeting, but perhaps a e-meeting might be a better first step. Unless we all want to meet at Rain Garden, which is my preference!


Does this page support a group e-discssion?

bigbettadan
12-19-2009, 04:12 AM
Fred would know that.......

Dan

small_ranchu
12-19-2009, 04:18 AM
Unfortunately it doesn't

Cincy Ranchu
12-19-2009, 04:23 AM
We have to make this happen

bigbettadan
12-19-2009, 04:29 AM
Yes, but more important than the eventual standard we come to agreement on, we need to plan for the fall show. That will springboard us into where we want to go. We can discuss using live fish............

Dan

bekko
12-19-2009, 06:39 AM
To advance the hobby, you need to get more TVR out there in front of more people. While a back-yard ARS show will be a lot of fun and very educational, you are still preaching to the choir and not doing much to expand interest in TVR. I think there should be a concerted effort to have TVR entered in as many of the regional koi/goldfish shows as possible. Note that the recent AGA newsletter mentions having a TVR category in more shows. ARS should also have a booth, fliers or some other presence at as many shows as possible. If every ARS member carried the word to just one show in their geographic area, the organization could easily reach several thousand potential TVR enthusiasts. If only 1% of those people caught the TVR bug, the ARS membership would double.

I think that standards are very important. However, at this point in ARS development, a flier describing TVR history, its unique niche in the larger goldfish hobby, the short version of the standard, pretty pictures and other interesting TVR tid-bits would be a much more useful document.

-steve

bigbettadan
12-19-2009, 03:43 PM
Just like last summer, I will be showing mine at the AGA shows. I won some baby GCs and got some atttention. This summer I will be showing Oya sized fish and that will make a even stronger impression. A flyer is a great idea as well......

Dan

King_oF_Ranchu
12-19-2009, 06:51 PM
If this meeting happen at Gary's back yard before Jan 25, i might spent Gary's Fiberglass payment for my trip to hand delivery the fiberglass tubs and join the meeting....Also other order placed by people who joining the meeting. Save cost for everybody >:)

bigbettadan
12-19-2009, 07:54 PM
I would be up for it if we can get some attendees........ Fred??
D

small_ranchu
12-19-2009, 08:39 PM
Plz confirm the date. I will let you guys know. :)

bigbettadan
12-19-2009, 11:11 PM
Just don't pick Feb 7th....... Super bowl......
Dan

Cincy Ranchu
12-19-2009, 11:18 PM
Plz confirm the date. I will let you guys know. :)


The Queen says 16th,17th or 23rd and 24th are great with her, lets limit it to a maximum of ten people...:yess::exact:

GH

small_ranchu
12-19-2009, 11:36 PM
23, 24 is good for me. Who is coming?

King_oF_Ranchu
12-19-2009, 11:47 PM
I can go there any Sunday from today until before Jan 25.
My best preferred day is Sunday Jan 17
By that time, i should already get Fiberglass tank in.
And bring them there with me....

bigbettadan
12-20-2009, 12:07 AM
Sat the 23rd.... I want to avoid Sundays, Colts are in the playoffs and undefeated......


Dan

bigbettadan
12-20-2009, 12:25 AM
What about Jan 30th Feb 1st? No football that weekend.......

Dan

small_ranchu
12-20-2009, 12:50 AM
come on we are going to have sumo final.. lol

bigbettadan
12-20-2009, 03:44 AM
LOL..... seriously, I have playoff tickets.... first game is either Jan 16th or 17th...... If the win... the AFC championship is Sunday the 24th....


Dan

Cincy Ranchu
12-20-2009, 04:55 PM
These dates are fine with me, what say everybody. Peter is interested, we must give him a date. By that time we may be ablr to cull fry,LOL

While we bow to Dan's football fantasy, we should also dig into other details of the ARS. I ask these questions and they are not necessarily my personal intertes, but rather I go to Bekkos question of getting more members;

1: Three classes or four, Tosai, Nisai and Oya or Smal and large Tosai, Nisai and Oya
2: Breeders and imports mixed, or breeders only, or imports only?

3:Judging by all members present or by judges, Jinchu Kai uses all members.

4: A separate subset of the show for non red,white, and red and white fish? As most of us dabble in this area I think it would be of interest and it would bring in more entries. We did this for years in the Breeders Social ( before airline restrictions and 9/11).
5: Are we going to allign ourselves with the AGA and use the publication for show results, I vote yes as the infrastructure is assmbled.

6: While Dan's initial draft does not promote Breeder grown fish, are we going to give extra points or staus for ; breeder grown and raised, domestically bred and grown since BBR, and purchased as BBR ( import) and grwon domestically.

These are some Ranchu thoughts as I moved my 14 blue Ranchu from Harris and Steve into a tub today.:exact:

bigbettadan
12-20-2009, 05:11 PM
Excellent work Gary........

I vote Sat Jan 23rd, that works best for Fred and I.... What say you Paul???


Dan

bigbettadan
12-20-2009, 05:44 PM
My intial thoughts on Garys points:

1. Here are my class ideas:
a. Open tosai
b. Open Nisai/Oya
c. Breeder/groomer class ( must have bred fish or recieved it at 16 weeks or less)
d. Open other(blue ranchu, edo, tosakin, top view oranda)
2. See above
3. Jinchu Kai judges if at all possible
4. See above
5. I think we should try to link with AGA
6. See classes

Dan

King_oF_Ranchu
12-20-2009, 06:26 PM
If that week of Jan 23-24, i would prefer Sunday Jan 24. Since i do not get in fight with my queen. she is working and nobody can look after child, if i go on Friday night for Saturday meeting. My family business close on Sunday so im free.

Anyway, whatever you guys decide. Don't let's me hold your back.:)

Paul

bigbettadan
12-20-2009, 06:51 PM
I understand......

Maybe we should just get these issues ironned out on line. We could always do a meeting spring/summer........

bigbettadan
12-20-2009, 07:03 PM
If you guys trust us, Gary and I can get together at our convinence and hammer out the show rules, then upload them here for a vote..

Dan

small_ranchu
12-20-2009, 07:57 PM
conference call?

Cincy Ranchu
12-20-2009, 08:43 PM
Sunday morning Conference call is a great idea

King_oF_Ranchu
12-20-2009, 11:18 PM
We can use "Goldfishkeepers.com Chat room". This way anyone who interesting can come and join in the chat room. But if we do this, who will take lecture? >:)

Paul

Cincy Ranchu
12-20-2009, 11:31 PM
I think we use the chat as the review method, I would still rather get together

suphi
12-21-2009, 03:01 AM
I don't think I can break away from work for the gathering, but I can definitely do chat.

bigbettadan
12-21-2009, 03:09 AM
I think a conference call is a good workable idea......

Dan