Black Ranchu's

[Bucks Koi]

What do you think of these black ranchus and do you notice anything different about these?
Patrick

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[suphi]

They look like typical black ranchu to me with large fins, especially the caudal fins. The only thing I noticed is that only one has black belly.

[bekko]

Chinese bloodline.

-steve

[Jed]

Chinese bloodline.

-steve


Ditto! :youtellme:

[afnaveils]

For breeding, Chinese bloodline is better. I don`t know anyone in North America who succeeded in breeding THAI black ranchus.

[Bucks Koi]

These fish are a cross of japanese bloodline svr to thai black ranchu.
Paul has told me that this breeder is trying to change or improve the tails
and to give them a more svr look.
I have two black ranchus from paul but the tails are large and have almost a butterfly look to the tail.
I purchased them for that reason I like the look of black ranchus from above.
I think paul made a youtube video of the other black ranchus to compare.
Patrick

[bekko]

The Thai bloodline of black ranchu has good color, but the caudal peduncle is whimpy and it does not present the aura of strength that the Chinese bloodlines do. Ranchu are supposed to look strong and muscular.

-steve

[BruceP]

For breeding, Chinese bloodline is better. I don`t know anyone in North America who succeeded in breeding THAI black ranchus.

That sounds like a challenge to me... lol Unfortunately our Thia blacks are still way too young and we only have two.

[Bucks Koi]

The Thai bloodline of black ranchu has good color, but the caudal peduncle is whimpy and it does not present the aura of strength that the Chinese bloodlines do. Ranchu are supposed to look strong and muscular.

-steve

Well pretty much what I said .
They are trying to improve and the black color to me is the best on thai black ranchus.
And I also said I like the look of thier tails from above ,they have a soft flowing look that's why I purchased them.
I know ranchus are supposed to look stong but I would not change a thing on thai black ranchu unless they keep the strong black color.
Patrick

[sc569]

I will re-iterate my previous question in another section.

How does one raise black ranchus? From asking many US breeders, no one seems to have the secret to raising black ranchus fry from imported black ranchus.

If anyone can share their secret, then it would be possible for me to make black veiltails.

Many thanks!

[King_oF_Ranchu]

As i stated in other post. Keeping black fish black will do with their environment. You need good sunlight with high temp, 80F+.
For some reason, black ranchu do great in warm-hot water than cold.
As i faced, once we're in winter season. It is very difficult to find good black ranchu. Price is going up a lot more than summer time. Even though Thailand is kinda hot all year long. But slightly cold from winter season seems to make great effect on Black Ranchu. Mostly die from fry or baby stage. Color seem to be less black than summer time.

So my conclusion on making a true black color on Black Ranchu would be Temp, Sunlight with clear water.

Paul

[small_ranchu]

We should breed a pair of Chinese black ranchu in Thailand as experiment. :)

[johnatoranchu]

I will re-iterate my previous question in another section.

How does one raise black ranchus? From asking many US breeders, no one seems to have the secret to raising black ranchus fry from imported black ranchus.

If anyone can share their secret, then it would be possible for me to make black veiltails.

Many thanks!

Exactly the same problem in the UK - blacks simply produce "dark" uncoloureds at best. Spoke to Gunn about this some years back as his farms produce them in Thailand. His answer was intense sunlight and plenty of it.
John

[King_oF_Ranchu]

Too bad, Thai people are not flavored Chinese fish. Plus their black color genetic is not strong as Thai. I'll bet you that Chinese black will be darker than the one we've seen from China! Just like keeping R/W fish indoor without light and keep one outside with direct sunlight. Which will get brighter and deeper color? Look at Dan TVR for an answer.....:exact:

[small_ranchu]

I agree with color intensity. In the mean time, I have a Thai black ranchu for two years. I don't give her special treatment. Just put her in the same tank as other SVR(room temp, indoor setup). Impressively she doesn't lost the blackness on single scale. This is what I love about Thail black ranchu. They have ability to maintain the black which others cannot.
What I am trying to say is that in Thai Black Ranchu, it is not only temperature and clear water. Somethingelse is also involved. perhaps Genetic?

[King_oF_Ranchu]

True! As you have seen my set-up on black ranchu tank.
I give more light and higher temp than other Thai fish that i stocked!
If you want to test this theory, try put your black fish in dark tank for a week. And come back start counting golden scale....Temp may not harm your fish since probably your black already get used to colder water now.

If you watch my listing on Black Ranchu. Early this year, price on 3" Black listed $125 a piece. Summer time it's went down to $75. Now price is climbing to $85.
All cause by temp! Thai Black love warm water! Every R/W need 70F+.
Chinese GF do fine with lower!

[bigbettadan]

Yup, it is about that sun.......
Dan

[bigbettadan]

Oh, John, what about the black moor? it is obviously a different pigment correct??

Dan

[johnatoranchu]

Oh, John, what about the black moor? it is obviously a different pigment correct??

Dan

Perhaps it's the same Dan. Some years ago Gunn took some nice Thai Broadtail Moors to Gary's. They arrived late afternoon and all the Moors were dark bronze. Their finnage was superb so I remarked to Gunn that it was a pity their colour was poor for other than the colour they were certainly good enough to win in UK. His reply was "wait until 11 o'clock in the morning". Sure enough by 11 am the next morning they had been exposed to 3 hours intense sunlight - they were jet black - including their stomachs. Having said that, there is something "different" about the black on black Moors. Have you noticed that "it comes off on your hands" and when a black Moor dies the colour fades and it goes bronze very quickly. As of course you will appreciate I have no personal experience with black Ranchu. Real Ranchu are red; Real Ranchu are red and white!
John

[King_oF_Ranchu]

Yes, that's true! The black color is came off once touch them. Every time, i got them in and catch them with my hand to release to my tank. My hand got black from them. And when they're dead. They color faded and turn to goes bronze.

[small_ranchu]

Real Ranchu are red; Real Ranchu are red and white!

:yess::yeahbaby:

[King_oF_Ranchu]

And, perhape, Only top-view!

[bigbettadan]

All true.......LOL
Dan

[suphi]

Am I sensing racial discrimination here?