Veil club?

[afertuna]

Any people interested in starting a Veiltail club? Why should the ranchu's have all the fun LOL!!>:):confuse:

[afnaveils]

As Philadelphia veiltail and similar veiltail types are hard to find and as the number of breeders of this variety is (to my knowledge) small, I think it's a great idea to have a Veiltail club going.:yeahbaby: This site is perfect.

Also, I'd like to have the fun from both ranchu and veiltail clubs.:exact: So I'm in.:me:

[afertuna]

yay two!!!!

[afnaveils]

Well, I think Streamson Chua, Gary Hater, Rick (VeiltailGuy), Veil Gal, John Parker are all possible members, but I won't speak for them.

[VeiltailGuy]

Heres 3!, GREAT IDEA!!:yess::yess::yess: come on Gary are u in to?>:)

Rick...

[small_ranchu]

Let me know if you are ready. :)

[afertuna]

well if people would like it I geuss we have a veil club to start!!! So where do we go from here? geuss I need to see the threads for the ranchu's

[afertuna]

Ok so we should start with name Ideas
And what do we want from the club.
Personally I would like to see help for breeders,show and variety standards ei... Phillie,chinese,demikin ect. ect. Since this is a breed and a finnage type. Fans of Veils and general breed help for those who wanna know. I love these butterflies of the aquarium. I have been blessed with information given to me from Gary, Janet, Valerie and all the others I have met here and I think we should have a place to bring this all together for others too.
ANy other ideas?

[VeiltailGuy]

A.V.A. American Veil Association.....? :youtellme:

[afertuna]

How about North American Veiltail Association NAVA
the it includes Gerard..:yess:

[VeiltailGuy]

I guess we could Include the Canadian LOL what say you Gerard? N.A.V.A. sound good to you?

[bigbettadan]

I would be happy to support your club.........

Dan

[SullysGold]

Count me in.

Jim

[afertuna]

Would everyone be alright if I sponsor some of the ribbons for the Ryukin/fantail awards in the WWKC in the name of N.A.V.A. ? Since that would be the class in which the Veiltail is entered.

[afertuna]

Would everyone be alright if I sponsor some of the ribbons for the Ryukin/fantail awards in the WWKC in the name of N.A.V.A. ? Since that would be the class in which the Veiltail is entered.

Just to help get us out there and possibly get some more interested parties to come play with us.. :)

[afnaveils]

Sounds good to me!

Would everyone be alright if I sponsor some of the ribbons for the Ryukin/fantail awards in the WWKC in the name of N.A.V.A. ? Since that would be the class in which the Veiltail is entered.

[afertuna]

I sponsored Mature and Young ryukin fantail awards for Nava.


I really would like to see the Veils have their own catagories instead of competing with the Ryukins. The Ryukins always will win.I hope this will happen in time if more veils are shown in the US.

[sc569]

With regard to veiltails vs ryukin, there should be some clarification.

Most ryukins that you see are heterozygous for the long fin trait, whereas the veiltails are homozygous for the long fin. The hets are always more vigrourous in terms of body mass gain and body depth.

There should be a classification as to whether the fish are short finned, medium finned, and long finned. Then, the effects of the long fin trait will be equal between all types. In that case, my guess is that more veils would be judged with their peers and take more prizes.

[afertuna]

Maybe one of the things we can do as a group is write to the american goldfish groups that set show standards addressing this. This could be one of our goals :).

[bigbettadan]

Its a good idea. It worked with Ranchu...........

Dan

[bigbettadan]

I also need to point out it is more a judging problem. There are standards for Veils in the new AGA program. But since there not a mass produced buy at the show import breed, they don't get a fair shake........

Dan

[bekko]

American Goldfish Association already has veiltail standards. As a member, you would have received a copy of the updated standards when they were released earlier in the year.

The challenge is to increase the prominence of veiltails in shows. There needs to be a critical mass of regular veiltail entries in order to convince show organizers to have a veiltail category. Otherwise, veils will be lumped into the "other" category where they must compete with all sorts of stuff.

-steve

[afertuna]

I think if they were in the Other catergory they would have a better chance unfortionantly all the shows I have done they get lumped into the ryukin class and there isnt much of chance for them in that. I agree more Veils need to be shown I took 13 to the NWKG show this year other than mine there was 1 owned by Larry and Pat Christionson. I dont know of many exhibitors that show them in the US.

[bigbettadan]

We need more breeders to show. I went to several shows this summer and showed 6 or so TVRs to support the new class. We need Veil breeders to come out!!

Dan

[afertuna]

Most of the Veil breeders do not show.They are in it for the enjoyment of breeding and raising the fish what it will take is people getting interested in the breed in general.Most people are scared of the breed just like the fear of pearl scales. People think they are fragile and hard to raise. As long as you dont crowd the tanks and do weekly water changes they are in my opinion no different than any other fancy's.
I enjoy both the breeding and the showmanship arena....saying that I only show here in portland's show and the WWKC show. I dont think we are anywhere close to the point of Veil classes but I do think that we should work on that for the future. I think that Gary has been a tremendous influence of my Veil program. I would like to see Gary do an "article" for the Veil club on chop tails in breeding programs. When we get the breeding of the veils going and having them available throughout the US I think naturally the showmanship will increase.
Just a ramble from crazy ole me!:confuse:

[bigbettadan]

I get the sense that some goldfish breeders look down on showing. But clubs and shows are the lifeblood of the hobby. It spurs the development and following of the breeds. Its not just about winning. I showed ranchus this summer, not because of competition, as I knew there would not be much, but to get true ranchu(TVR) out there in the goldfish public eye. I wanted to recuit others to the breed. I know you do your part out West, but we need some veils shown out here in the midwest/east. I wish I could help, but one cause is all I can handle......LOL

Dan

[afertuna]

Maybe Dan we need to get you a couple!!! except they are the crack of the goldfish world!!!!

I just would like to see something other than an Oranda,Ranchu or Ryukin win Champion sometime!!!
No offense to those breeds or breeders.LOL

[bigbettadan]

When I lived back in Iowa, I had a few veils from Janet.........

But ranchus are timeconsuming. Someday again.

Dan

[medhrse]

I will join. Looks like I have a couple to start with,

[afertuna]

nice to meet you and welcome to the club :)

[afertuna]

I hope to see you all tomorrow:)

[Guyonthecanal]

I'll miss this time around because of business traveling but hope to join in the next chat session. Have fun all!

[afertuna]

we will miss ya!!!

[BruceP]

What time again Allen? I just plain forgot last week.

[afertuna]

7pm Eastern standard time 4 pm western?

[bluebelly]

Because certification of fish is so expensive , taking fish out and returning them is a big gamble. That is why I donated my fish to shows for auction to raise $ but no returns.