Jinchu Kai fry update

[bigbettadan]

Since the social, mine have doubled in size! I will get pics soon. I talked to Fred last night, his are big too, he has already got them eating BW!

Dan

[small_ranchu]

They are eating BW like crazy... :) Whoelse is getting JK fry?

[harzan]

I was not that optomistic since I seem to lose small ones from others, but these are doing well. I think our friend Gary was very generous to have shared these with us.

I believe Gerard has some too. I do not know how much larger mine are, but they are growing.

I THINK IT WILL BE A LOT OF FUN TO SEE HOW OURS ALL TURN OUT! I will post some pics too.

[afnaveils]

Gary graciously gave me 11 Jinchu Kai fry. I culled 2 and lost 3 in a 36-hour period with no apparent reason, even with the extra care. The remaining 6 are growing well and doing fine. I was going to cull another one (tripod tail) but as I have only 6 left, I decided to keep it as a back-up.

[bigbettadan]

Good to hear Gerald. I culled 2 intially, but have 11 strong healthy remaining. Of those, I see 7 that I think have great potiental. I will get some pics soon.

Dan

[small_ranchu]

I got 6 from Gary and culled one for single tail :youtellme: . Lets see what happen. :)

[harzan]

Ok guys, we have a project to do this weekend. Get pics up! I am charging my camera!

[bigbettadan]

We need good pics for the ARS website too!

Dan

[harzan]

Ok...I got my photos taken first! I am sure not the largest since I am afraid to over feed or change water too much.

I also added a few new albums if anyone wants to check out (couple tvr, blue shukin, calico shukin).

http://www.goldfishkeepers.com/forum/album.php?albumid=48

[afnaveils]

Added some JCK fry pix to album.

[harzan]

Since there was mention of not wanting to click here and there, I have Gerard's link below ::)


http://www.goldfishkeepers.com/forum/album.php?albumid=49

[Cincy Ranchu]

Mine are on dry food, just got back in. I was with Parker and Andrew James on Sunday, lots of excitement about the postings. As for me, mine are grwoing but I still have a few clunkers, I have have nmot heard from Greg Rau, he has a few also.

THX

[bigbettadan]

I took some pics tonight, I just need to upload them.......

Dan

[johnatoranchu]

Hi Gerard
Pleased to see your pics of Jinchu Kai fry (thanks Harris). Water seems deep. Can I suggest you reduce depth of water to 4 inches - that's the depth Andrew and I grow our Ranchu fry at. Don't increase depth until youngsters are 2-3 inches long and have good head development.
John

[bigbettadan]

Thats what I do as well. They seem to develop stronger swimming motion as well, but I could be wrong on that.

Dan

[small_ranchu]

Here is mine, taking during water change

http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l68/smallranchu/Jinchu%20Kai/09302009/P1040116.jpg

http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l68/smallranchu/Jinchu%20Kai/09302009/P1040117.jpg

http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l68/smallranchu/Jinchu%20Kai/09302009/P1040118.jpg

Setup
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l68/smallranchu/Jinchu%20Kai/09302009/P1040119.jpg

[bigbettadan]

Excellent work. They all look to have great tail potiental.........

Dan

[small_ranchu]

Trying my best buddy :)

[small_ranchu]

Yesterday I gave them some Saki-hikari and they were happily eating all. Should I start giving them Saki pellet?

[GlassGoldfish]

Yes. That's one of the benefits of such a small pellet, younger fish can eat it.

[bigbettadan]

Sure. I am feeding betta pro, its a little smaller than Saki. But I will get them on Saki by the end of the month......

Mine are coloring already... anyone else?
Dan

[harzan]

Mine are starting to color, slowly. 4 of my seven have a small piece of gill cover missing on the upper part. I wonder if it was due to genetics or water quality from transit to Hawaii...2 days???

I will take more pics this week....Dan, where are the pics you took?

[bigbettadan]

Still on the camera......LOL

Dan

[small_ranchu]

http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l68/smallranchu/Jinchu%20Kai/11212009/th_DSCN1170.jpg (http://s93.photobucket.com/albums/l68/smallranchu/Jinchu%20Kai/11212009/?action=view&current=DSCN1170.flv)

[Cincy Ranchu]

I have mine on SAKI four to five times a day. I too, lose a few to bad / incomplete gill cover. Lots of white and red fish, peduncle elimination coming shortly, I will try and get some pics this week

[bigbettadan]

I have not had a gill cover issue. I will take new pics this week as I have a few days off and am going to update the website.......


Dan

[bigbettadan]

I just added new ranchu pics including Jinchu Kai fry pics to my website..

www.aslanrabbitry.com

Dan

[afnaveils]

I'm sorry to say that I have only decent Jinchu Kai fry with fused tail. Some had defects (deformed jaw/mouth, gill plate, thin fish, etc). Some died for no apparent reason.

I'll outcross the remaining one to Monden ranchus.

[bigbettadan]

If I can help, I will. I think I have 8 to 9 usable fish.......

Dan

[afnaveils]

Thanks for your offer Dan! But I think I'll let you guys bring the numbers up first next breeding season or so, so that I may get some fry from you at the next socials.:exact:

[Cincy Ranchu]

At last I scooped a bunch of thethese guys out and did a short video. A couple are champions ( potential) some have a odd angle of attachment. A quarter is in the bowl as a refereferce. Enjoy!!

http://i552.photobucket.com/albums/jj339/CincyRanchu/th_VID02632.jpg (http://s552.photobucket.com/albums/jj339/CincyRanchu/?action=view&current=VID02632.flv)

Any thoughts, they are in a 120 blue tub at 8", 75F and three feedings a day of saki, plus other goodies

Gh

[small_ranchu]

great!!! good job Gary. I am concerning about head growth. Is it too early to have a decent head growth?

[Cincy Ranchu]

great!!! good job Gary. I am concerning about head growth. Is it too early to have a decent head growth?

These fish are about 90 days old. I think that for 90 days it is pretty good, I have to wait and see waht one of my historical lines do with SAKI at 90 days

[ak47_chicago]

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[bigbettadan]

Looking very solid. Should be a great show next Sept!
Dan

[bigbettadan]

Oh, Gary, how many are left after your latest cull?

Dan

[johnatoranchu]

At last I scooped a bunch of thethese guys out and did a short video. A couple are champions ( potential) some have a odd angle of attachment. A quarter is in the bowl as a refereferce. Enjoy!!

http://i552.photobucket.com/albums/jj339/CincyRanchu/th_VID02632.jpg (http://s552.photobucket.com/albums/jj339/CincyRanchu/?action=view&current=VID02632.flv)

Any thoughts, they are in a 120 blue tub at 8", 75F and three feedings a day of saki, plus other goodies

Gh

I appreciate that these are from our 2002 (possibly 2005) gene pool but at 90 days they should still have more hood growth. Unless it is down to camera angle - the heads still look pointed and at the very least they should be square. Suggest you decrease water depth to 4 inches, let Jane feed Saki Hikari when you are away but when you are home just feed bloodworm, bloodworm and nothing but bloodworm.
John

[Cincy Ranchu]

Oh, Gary, how many are left after your latest cull?

Dan

About 20, I have an issue with the peduncle insertion and not sure what is going on so I wait. Two runts are gone, next time Rau comes over we will dispatch 6 or so...

[Veil Gal]

Why do ranchu fanciers insist on such shallow water?

[Cincy Ranchu]

It is supposed to allow for better wen growth because of less pressure, to me, it is more of something the Japanese tub culture dictates so we are left to copy it until someone proves it wrong. Lots of conflicting mysteries in Ranchu growing, for example the Belgium Kai run by Gert Coppins has eliminated bloodworms and feeds only Saki. the Jinchu Kai boys in England are stuck in the classical area of bloodworms, and the Indiana Kai is feeding Betta Pro.
Seems like warm clean water and tanks, a large number of consistant feedings with quality food that has insect protiens and perhaps methionine supplements does the trick. Lots of the other stuffis often misinterpreted and becomes fact and folklure.:exact:

[small_ranchu]

the Indiana Kai is feeding Betta Pro.


Gary,
you make my day. I cannot stop laughing. :))2 :lol:

[bigbettadan]

LOL Gary,..... the Indiana Kai is feeding Saki(green bag- growth) and Hakari frozen bloodworm now.... I like the betta pro as a intro pellet because it is so small and fish absolutely love it....... but once they are big enough, I love Saki.... But I feed alot of bloodworm too.


Dan

[Virginia ranchu]

I took a tip from Dan and started feeding a small sinking betta pellet to fry. So far so good! No bloating problems, and the fish like it.

Rob

[East Ozeki Ranchu]

Gentlemen,

As this discussion is relates to Jinchu Kai Ranchu, I thought it appropriate to introduce you to one of my Tosai. This photo was taken at 85days and gives you an idea of the headgrowth at that age.

Kind regards

Andrew

[suphi]

^ that is an amazing development at 85 days. If that fish was bred in the US, then that is the best I've seen on this side on the pond. (ed. never mind, you're from UK :) ). Can you share your feeding regimen?

Anyway, I watched a youtube video recently about a Japenese breeder who uses a combination of Red Saki Hikari, Chanko, Discus pellet, and some sort of vitamin powder. He mixed them all in a bucket and feed his ranchu. Of course, my Japanese is rudimentary at best so I don't get the reason why the Discus pellet is necessary.

[bigbettadan]

Andrew, now that we have got your attention, I have a question on this batch of fish from either the 02 or 05 import. What are the improvements on the new imports? I have good headgrowth on these at this age but not the same pronounced funtan I had on my Itoh/Kudo import at the same age.

Thanks
Dan

[johnatoranchu]

It is supposed to allow for better wen growth because of less pressure, to me, it is more of something the Japanese tub culture dictates so we are left to copy it until someone proves it wrong. Lots of conflicting mysteries in Ranchu growing, for example the Belgium Kai run by Gert Coppins has eliminated bloodworms and feeds only Saki. the Jinchu Kai boys in England are stuck in the classical area of bloodworms, and the Indiana Kai is feeding Betta Pro.
Seems like warm clean water and tanks, a large number of consistant feedings with quality food that has insect protiens and perhaps methionine supplements does the trick. Lots of the other stuffis often misinterpreted and becomes fact and folklure.:exact:

And not everyone "follows the leader/tells the truth". Geert Coppin's main man in the UK comes to me regularly for his bloodworm supplies!!!!!!!!!!!!
John

[small_ranchu]

Is there any difference between freeze dried and frozen bloodworm?

[East Ozeki Ranchu]

Dear Sulphi,

Many thanks for your kind comments - this head is typical at this age.

My Ranchu are kept strictly following the techniques I have learnt in Japan. Up to 90 days old they will have only eaten Brine Shrimp or Bloodworm.

Regards

Andrew


Dear Dan,

With regard to the 02's and 05's, the body and tail structure was there but the heads were not - the 05's were significantly better than the 02's but the heads were not like those we look for now as they had only limited funtan.

The Ranchu I imported for John and myself in 2007 were from Nogi san's best line - and the results speak for themselves. They are much more refined in respect of bodies, tails and colour but the biggest improvement is with the heads - they are much longer and the funtan more pronounced. This photo shows a group from one of this years spawnings at 5 weeks and already you can see the heads developing.

Nogi san has developed further lines within the same family that have huge funtan development - we saw when we were in Japan in the autumn.

Regards

Andrew

[bigbettadan]

Thanks for the info Andrew.You can definately see the changes in the head. I think the tail spread is increased as well. Your fish are testiment to detailed linebreeding thats for sure.....


Dan

[harzan]

Incredible!

[small_ranchu]

Here is my monthly update...

http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l68/smallranchu/Jinchu%20Kai/01042010/th_DSCN1218.jpg (http://s93.photobucket.com/albums/l68/smallranchu/Jinchu%20Kai/01042010/?action=view&current=DSCN1218.flv)

Suggestion pleaseeee..

[bigbettadan]

Good job. I think you may have some decent fish there........

Dan

[small_ranchu]

Dear Sulphi,

Many thanks for your kind comments - this head is typical at this age.

My Ranchu are kept strictly following the techniques I have learnt in Japan. Up to 90 days old they will have only eaten Brine Shrimp or Bloodworm.

Regards

Andrew


Hi Andrew,
I like the idea of feeding only BS or Bloodworm. But how do you achieve it without effecting your daily job? Assuming you are not working form home nor retired. Thanks.
Regards,
Fred

[East Ozeki Ranchu]

Dear Fred,

I am only 36 - so not retired! I am also a Director of an Architectural practice so my work life is very busy too.

Ranchu are a way of life for me and so I have to extend my day to acommodate my Ranchu and their needs.

During the early part of the breeding season the alarm wakes me at 0500 and it is then that I begin feeding my Ranchu and changing water. This takes me through to 0730 when I leave for work.

I return at 1830 and work with my Ranchu for a further 2-3hrs each evening.

At weekends I will be working with my Ranchu for a full 10 -12 hours each day, again commencing at 0500.

The fry will have two feeds of Brine Shrimp each day - one before work and one in the evening. Feeds of bloodworm take place at the same times of day.

I typically hatch 25-30,000 Ranchu each April from 10 couples so you can imagine the amount of feeding, water changing and culling required.

Regards

Andrew

[afnaveils]

Hi Andrew,

Thanks for sharing your ranchu feeding and professionnal work time table. I'm curious to know how many of the 25000 to 30000 fry do you finally keep for yourself each year. Would that include your tosakins or just ranchus?

[East Ozeki Ranchu]

Dear Gerard,

Since the beginning of last year I kept only Ranchu, having passed all of my Tosakin to John - he will take them forward now.

At this time I have 52 young Nisai from my 2009 spawnings - naturally that number will need to be reduced before this years breeding season begins.

Here is one of last years females - photographed in October.

Regards

Andrew

[small_ranchu]

Dear Fred,

I am only 36 - so not retired! I am also a Director of an Architectural practice so my work life is very busy too.

Ranchu are a way of life for me and so I have to extend my day to acommodate my Ranchu and their needs.

During the early part of the breeding season the alarm wakes me at 0500 and it is then that I begin feeding my Ranchu and changing water. This takes me through to 0730 when I leave for work.

I return at 1830 and work with my Ranchu for a further 2-3hrs each evening.

At weekends I will be working with my Ranchu for a full 10 -12 hours each day, again commencing at 0500.

The fry will have two feeds of Brine Shrimp each day - one before work and one in the evening. Feeds of bloodworm take place at the same times of day.

I typically hatch 25-30,000 Ranchu each April from 10 couples so you can imagine the amount of feeding, water changing and culling required.

Regards

Andrew

Hi Andrew,
Thanks for enlightening. I am surprised that your fish get only two feeds a day and grow very big within 90 days. Are you doing water change everyday?
How much do you feed them at a time?
Are you feeding live bloodworm?
Thanks again.
Regards,
Fred

[East Ozeki Ranchu]

Dear Fred,

My Ranchu are moved to a fresh pond every 4-6 days - it depends on the amount fed, number of fish in the pond, time of year, etc etc.

The amount fed is very difficult to quantify in an email - particularly with regard to Brine Shrimp. A good rule of thumb with regard to Bloodworm would be to feed as much as the Ranchu will eat in 10 minutes.

What you feed and how much is always based upon the assessment you make of the Ranchu in the pond at the time you go to feed them - so even if there are the same number of fish in two adjacent ponds you may feed different amounts of food to each. That is the secret and the skill comes with experience - in my opinion this is more important than what you actually feed.

Hope that helps.

Regards

Andrew

[East Ozeki Ranchu]

Dear Fred,

I feed only Frozen Aka-mushi (Bloodworm).

Regards

Andrew

[small_ranchu]

Thanks again for your kindness. :)

[afnaveils]

Dear Gerard,

Since the beginning of last year I kept only Ranchu, having passed all of my Tosakin to John - he will take them forward now.

At this time I have 52 young Nisai from my 2009 spawnings - naturally that number will need to be reduced before this years breeding season begins.

Here is one of last years females - photographed in October.

Regards

Andrew

Hi Andrew,

The female in the photograph is a fine ranchu. Head and body look great! However, the tail shoulders do not look straight or look bent downwards, was it in swimming motion?

Best regards

[East Ozeki Ranchu]

Dear Gerard,

Yes, this Ranchu is swimming but to be honest it is not a show Ranchu. I kept this female as a potential Seed Ranchu - as you say head and body are good. Importantly she had many eggs during the Autumn Tosai spawnings!

Kind regards

Andrew

[bigbettadan]

Good point Andrew. Some of your best breeders may not be top show fish(but still good fish), but excel in important features you want to work on.

Dan

[East Ozeki Ranchu]

Dear Dan,

Yes, I agree with you.

Equally you never know how a Ranchu will develop - which is why you need to know your fish and keep records. And, how they develop and when they develop particular characteristics are key considerations when you are choosing your Seed Ranchu.

This photo is of one of the female Tosai I retained at the end of 2008.....

Regards

Andrew

[East Ozeki Ranchu]

Dear Dan,

...and this is the same Ranchu one year later. She is moving in the photo but even so her rear end is not her strongest point. Her head and body has improved significantly.

What I am trying to show you is how different Ranchu develop at different stages in their life and understanding when and how these changes take place is a key aspect in selecting your Seed Ranchu and selecting from their young.

Importantly, this Ranchu is the mother of some of my favourite 2009 Tosai.

Regards

Andrew

[bigbettadan]

I don't care what you are breeding, be it ranchu, bettas, or rabbits, the key to being a great breeder is seeing the pieces of the whole, like the fish above. It may not have great backside, but obviously it has exceptional head development and more importantly passed it on to it's progeny........

Great point Andrew.

Dan

[afnaveils]

Hi Dan,

I don't mean to be rude :backingout:but Andrew is a confirmed Jinchu Kai Japan judge. I think he knows how to be a great breeder.:exact: Lately, Andrew has been giving us teachings, precious information and tips in a humble kind of way and we should be receptive and not jump into his spotlight. Maybe I'm too susceptible.:me: Sorry!

[bigbettadan]

That was not my intention........ just trying to reiterate a point, based on my experience from breeding other animals, and how the same principles run thru.

Dan

[East Ozeki Ranchu]

Guys,

Relax, we are all here to learn togeather.

Kind regards

Andrew

[afnaveils]

Oh, there's absolutely no trouble. Just a FRIENDLY reminder. I also come to realize that written posts cannot convey the tone and feeling with which the writer means them. Sorry Dan!:hangout:

[harzan]

Yeah G! Relax...I hope we all consider each other friends. I am sure we are all here in fun and goodwill.

[bigbettadan]

No worries, Lets just have a great 2010 and promote ranchu!

Dan

[afnaveils]

Hey Harris,

Do you think I want trouble with Dan?:badidea: Have you seen how big he is and how small I am?:lol:

Plus, I want fish from him.:lol:

[bigbettadan]

LOL....... I will keep that in mind while I am doing Squats and deadlifts today...

Dan

[small_ranchu]

LOL....... I will keep that in mind while I am doing Squats and deadlifts today...

Dan
and while you are eating as well. :yess:

[bigbettadan]

I suppose, but I can't keep up with Paul. Boy he can chow......LOL

Dan

[afnaveils]

and while you are eating as well. :yess:

That's a good one!:hi5:

[small_ranchu]

My weekly update...

Last week I culled a white one; the one with bad back...


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[bigbettadan]

Right now the mostly red one is the best fish........

Dan

[Cincy Ranchu]

Right now the mostly red one is the best fish........

Dan

Just toos them I have the best ones LOL

[small_ranchu]

how about the penducle of the white one? I feel it is so small???

[bigbettadan]

You should have the best ones Gary.....LOL

Yes, the whites peduncle looks weak, but the tails nice. I would give it more time...

D

[King_oF_Ranchu]

how about the penducle of the white one? I feel it is so small???


Cull cull and Cull

Is that right, John? :exact:

[bigbettadan]

Since he only has 3 left, he has space..... for now.

Dan

[small_ranchu]

Another weekly update.. culled a white one, 2 left

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[bigbettadan]

I think the red is a solid fish.... We just need to find it a girl/boyfriend when the time comes....LOL

Dan

[small_ranchu]

I have a couple of big one. Now All I need is space.

[ak47_chicago]

I have a couple of big one. Now All I need is space.

Hey My buddy Fred,

What was you talking about? You have a big one???? Are you talking about goldfish or something else? Please make it alittle clear,, since Dan just talked about find her a boyfriend... when the time is come!!


Ak

[small_ranchu]

I meant gf (goldfish) lol

[small_ranchu]

another week

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[Cincy Ranchu]

Hey all Greg was over today to cull babies, John would be so pleased we culled 4000 fry down to about 500. and spread out another 2000 that were too small to mess with... As we finished we decided to sort and remove some of the Jinchu Kai fry. I am now down to 19, I am still disappointed with the wen growth but it is improving. We have to remember that these fish are from John's older line and when they now show us comprably aged speicimens, realize that they went back to Japn and purchased upgraded stock. Anyway, I getting happier with these guys all the time and even Blue Belly is going to try a few.....

http://i552.photobucket.com/albums/jj339/CincyRanchu/th_JinchuKaiFishbornAugust2009filmedJa.jpg (http://s552.photobucket.com/albums/jj339/CincyRanchu/?action=view&current=JinchuKaiFishbornAugust2009filmedJa.flv)

I haven't done this for a while and old Photobucket has upgraded?

Enjoy!:exact::yess:

GH

[afertuna]

nice fish:worship::yess:

[bigbettadan]

I am finding your red one interesting fred........

My head growth is farther along, but I am disappointed with the swimming motion on mine for the most part. We will see I guess.

Dan

[Cincy Ranchu]

How about a video of yours

[bigbettadan]

I don't have a video camera.....

Dan

[Cincy Ranchu]

I don't have a video camera.....

Dan

Ok just pics

[bigbettadan]

Its cold out there......LOL

You may see them in person soon enough. I couple just survived the piranha tank today........

Dan

[Hondataeg6]

Hey all Greg was over today to cull babies, John would be so pleased we culled 4000 fry down to about 500. and spread out another 2000 that were too small to mess with... As we finished we decided to sort and remove some of the Jinchu Kai fry. I am now down to 19, I am still disappointed with the wen growth but it is improving. We have to remember that these fish are from John's older line and when they now show us comprably aged speicimens, realize that they went back to Japn and purchased upgraded stock. Anyway, I getting happier with these guys all the time and even Blue Belly is going to try a few.....

http://i552.photobucket.com/albums/jj339/CincyRanchu/th_JinchuKaiFishbornAugust2009filmedJa.jpg (http://s552.photobucket.com/albums/jj339/CincyRanchu/?action=view&current=JinchuKaiFishbornAugust2009filmedJa.flv)

I haven't done this for a while and old Photobucket has upgraded?

Enjoy!:exact::yess:

GH


I just saw this video of youre jinchu kai fish, and their Awesome :worship:

[Cincy Ranchu]

And you are getting a pair on Monday:exact::exact::exact:

[Hondataeg6]

And you are getting a pair on Monday:exact::exact::exact:

:yess: AWESOME.... Thanks You...

[small_ranchu]

Another update after 15 days

2 x bloodworm in the morning
5 x saki hikari during the day
2 x bloodworm in the evening

20 gallons tub with daily water change.

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[ak47_chicago]

Fred,

U forgot to feed them with Hikari Lionhead!!!

[bigbettadan]

bloodworm more than hikari..... but, not all fish in a spawn will have the proper hood, regardless of care. Thats why we cull...... And the red one looks like it might be a usable fish...

Dan

[small_ranchu]

I wish it has a bigger pendencle. Is there a way to do it?

[bigbettadan]

As the fish gets older/stronger it will fill out some, but it is what it is in the end...

Dan

[small_ranchu]

Another update after 10 days and the setup.

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[suphi]

He's by himself in that tub? Lucky fish.

[BruceP]

Thanx for sharing Fred. It is fun watching the progress.

[small_ranchu]

Bruce,
why don't you start a new thread for your babies? :)

[small_ranchu]

My fish is sleeping at the surface of water most of the time for today. Hopefully it's not SBD. I stop giving food now. :(

[Cincy Ranchu]

Look at the clarity of the tail fins, consider a little salt and watch for protozoans

[small_ranchu]

Look at the clarity of the tail fins

Can you explain more on it please? Thank you.

[suphi]

My fish is sleeping at the surface of water most of the time for today. Hopefully it's not SBD. I stop giving food now. :(

He looks overfed. Go easy on the pellets and just do bloodworms for a week? With your water changing routine, parasite break-out would be unlikely but who knows.:youtellme:

[small_ranchu]

Here is my latest video of my big TVR.

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[bigbettadan]

Have you sexed those 2? Get that pair to work......LOL

Dan

[small_ranchu]

I will let you know by next water change. :)

[quebd]

hi,

what sorta food for the fries? from born till theyre able to take pellets. can the fry do frozen bw?

[small_ranchu]

hi,

what sorta food for the fries? from born till theyre able to take pellets. can the fry do frozen bw?

baby brine shrimp until they can take bloodworm.

[quebd]

thanks, any other alternative? my lfs doesnt carry daphnia nor bbs.
how about hikari first bites is that workable, how about the result compared to live foods anybody tried tat out?

[small_ranchu]

I have tried both. BBS is the best..

[bigbettadan]

Get BS eggs and hatch your own. Easy and much more affordable.

Dan

[quebd]

thanks, will try find bbs eggs here. just to try out :)

[suphi]

Another option is freeze-dried daphnia. I fed baby ranchus with this (Hikari brand) last year. They turned out alright.

[quebd]

Suphi is it the hikari first bite, if nt cn u give me the name. Easier to find, thanks

[suphi]

Hikari Bio-Pure FD Daphnia.
http://www.hikari.info/tropical/t_20.html

[bigbettadan]

Hikari makes great freeze dried food. Keep in mind, in general, the food value goes like this..... live > frozen > dried..... But I would use a quality freezed dried food over a frozen one with unknown/dubious sources.......

Dan

[quebd]

thanks, will keep searching for the lives one. intend to try out with a china / thai breed. then next yr ready to try on japs tvr. always a pain to start a hobby, and gathering all the infos...

btw whats ur take on depth. for a 12-13 cm/ 5 inch.. is 6 inch depth adequate?

thanks

[small_ranchu]

what is the size of your TVR (length without tail)?

[quebd]

10-11 cm * 2, and 3 cbr around 2 inch

[small_ranchu]

10 cm guy can live in water of 8" deep. 2 in cbr should go into water of 4" deep.

[quebd]

thanks, will try it out. whats the effect of deeper or shallow water does to them. head or body dev?

[small_ranchu]

It's about body development..

[quebd]

thanks, not related: manage to get my green water. using T5 indoor. (space problem). hehe dont know how many of you have tubs in ur bedroom :P

[quebd]

few days back there was a 5 hour blackout in my area, and i happen not to be around. lost 6 fishes, 5 of them ranchu. 2 very dear ones.

just a question, do you have backup plans for power outage? care to share. thanks

[elusiveracer]

few days back there was a 5 hour blackout in my area, and i happen not to be around. lost 6 fishes, 5 of them ranchu. 2 very dear ones.

just a question, do you have backup plans for power outage? care to share. thanks

That sucks man. If you can find a battery operated air pump it should save you next time. It's a necessity where I live since we have ice storms, overuse of air conditioners, and people running over poles. :youtellme:

http://www.fosterandsmithaquatics.com/product/prod_display.cfm?c=3578+3669+3693&pcatid=3693

[Fishman43]

I have a 1000 watt generator, and even that isn't enough when we have the ice storms and wind storms in the winter. This past year my fish room got down to the 40's even with a small room heater running. I had the generator running the central air pump for my filters, the small oil room heater, and the tank heaters in the discus tanks. Despite all of that, I lost half of my tropical fish inculding 25% of my discus (the tank heaters couldn't keep up with the cold), and all of my baby dendrobatid frogs. I am already looking at a 3000-5000 watt generator to run the key parts of the house on (heaters, fridge, well water pump, fish/frog room).

[suphi]

The way I keep my TVR prevents this problem. My water doesn't turn bad when there's a blackout since there's no toxic waste anywhere in the system, as I have no filter (other than sponge). Using battery-backup air pump also helps.

Even in my SVR tank, fish don't die with blackouts because I clean my (canister) filter regularly (every 1-2 weeks). The only part that I don't touch is the unit that houses nitrifying bacteria, everything else gets scrubbed and rinse thoroughly. Your filter can house all kinds of bacteria and junk that can really cause sudden shock in fish if let loose.

It's more work on my part in terms of cleaning but whenever there's a blackout I simply grinned and waited it out.

[quebd]

hi suphi,

my tubs dont use filter as well, i only have one glass aq that uses filter. others is just air pump. and i change the water regularly as well, 3-4 days once latter being the average. when it happen, the tubs was fine.. just the glass that give out. one of the glass is 4 inch deep for very small ranchu (without filter and at third day wo water change) and one more glass with filter for just one oranda. both have 90% fatality rate.

its fine if it happen while i was at home, it happened when i wasnt, and i was thinking of ways to counter that. battery powered air pump last few hours, we need to be home when it happen so thats out.

i heard theres an ac powered battery air pump (still looking for it to give it a try) or else inverter or something like car battery for the air pumps.

[yamato38gunkei]

And not everyone "follows the leader/tells the truth". Geert Coppin's main man in the UK comes to me regularly for his bloodworm supplies!!!!!!!!!!!!
John

John,

It is not very respectful to call someone a liar in a public forum like this one ; especially when that person can not defend himself ! Try to think twice before you write this kind of things...

It is not because I feed pellet food only, that the members of my club are obliged to do the same...

I try to teach my members that there is more than one way to make a good Ranchu. As long as you understand your Ranchu and as long as you understand what to do to achieve your goal !

Regards,

Geert Coppens

[johnatoranchu]

John,

It is not very respectful to call someone a liar in a public forum like this one ; especially when that person can not defend himself ! Try to think twice before you write this kind of things...

It is not because I feed pellet food only, that the members of my club are obliged to do the same...

I try to teach my members that there is more than one way to make a good Ranchu. As long as you understand your Ranchu and as long as you understand what to do to achieve your goal !

Regards,

Geert Coppens

Have you been saving this up for some reason Geert? Can't remember when I wrote this but even though my memory is not as good as it once was it must have been somewhile ago. Read your post again. I appreciate that English is not your first language but where in your quote am I calling anyone a liar? "Try to think twice before you write this sort of thing" certainly applies to you.
John

[nygold]

Lots of conflicting mysteries in Ranchu growing, for example the Belgium Kai run by Gert Coppins has eliminated bloodworms and feeds only Saki.
And not everyone "follows the leader/tells the truth". Geert Coppin's main man in the UK comes to me regularly for his bloodworm supplies!!!!!!!!!!!!
John

I can see where this could be misleading.
John may be alot of things but he's doesn't seem to be a liar.
He maybe brutally honset to the point were people feelings may get hurt, but many of us think he's an asset to this web page.
Geert I understand your a very well respected man in the goldfish/ranchu world and I hope you didn't sign up just to give John a verbal smack.
We would really appreciate a person with your knowledge and expertise to spend a little time in the Goldfish Keepers forum.
I hope we can move forward from here.
Anyway welcome to Goldfish Keepers.

Don

[Hondataeg6]

While doing a water change I had my phone on me and decided to take a couple of pictures of my only jinchu-kai ranchu survivor. I think he might be a little small for its age, anyways heres the not so great pictures of him, might I add he would not stay still...

Please comment.

[nygold]

The head looks great I hope mine end up looking like that.

[small_ranchu]

I agree with Don. Very good head growth for Jinchu line in USA.

[bigbettadan]

You have defianately maximized the potential of that fish. Fine job.

Dan

[opera]

what did you feed him/her. Just bloodworms?

[Hondataeg6]

what did you feed him/her. Just bloodworms?

Thanks for the comments, but I can't take all the credit. When I got this ranchu from Gary it had a nice squared head already. So I guess this has a lot to do with having the right skull structure. Like Dan said I just maximized this fish to it's total head potential:youtellme:



I fed it hikari lionhead, and bloodworms. But mostly lionhead pellets...