Thai Oranda

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All comments are welcome

Cheers,
Tong

[johnatoranchu]

OK. Some bodies look short.
John

[Cincy Ranchu]

I agree with John the fish seem out of proportion, too short, would tend to be floaters if kept indoors

[bekko]

I believe this is the preferred shape in the East although a few of them (like the Apache in the video) have too much belly. Long-body oranda are undoubtedly stronger, grow larger, live longer, and are less prone to swim bladder issues. But, Tong's fish would win at the show.

This is not confined to oranda though. SVR, moors and ryukin with a short deep body are all more likely to take the trophy one day and swim upside-down the next.

It creates a real conundrum for the breeder. Do you select for the show bench or select for the best long-term pet ??

-steve

[afnaveils]

These fish look more like ryukins with headgrowth. I'm not used to this type of oranda yet, they look nice though and would make nice pets.

[BruceP]

Unfortunately, until the standards change on body proportions we that show must continue to strive for short bodied fish. Personally, I like the looks of the short bodies (brainwashed i guess..lol),,,, just not the durability.

I agree that they look like ryukin with headgrowth, in a way.

[Jed]

Bruce, I tend to agree with you. I love this body type in an oranda, but as Gary stated, it has the tendency of becoming of floater which is so darn frustrating.

[bigbettadan]

Thats why it is important to develop standards that emphasize swimming motion as well as conformation. Once again, the Japanese get it right. I have never had swim bladder issue with my japanese (TVR) stock. Not that is can't happen, but it is lot less prevelant, like in chinese ranchu.

Dan

[BruceP]

I believe this is the preferred shape in the East although a few of them (like the Apache in the video) have too much belly. Long-body oranda are undoubtedly stronger, grow larger, live longer, and are less prone to swim bladder issues. But, Tong's fish would win at the show.

This is not confined to oranda though. SVR, moors and ryukin with a short deep body are all more likely to take the trophy one day and swim upside-down the next.

It creates a real conundrum for the breeder. Do you select for the show bench or select for the best long-term pet ??

-steve

Select for the show bench.!!!!! :) We love showing... lol But having said that, we have had the exact thing you mentioned happen more than once.... GC one day, topsy turvy the next..... VERY frustrating.

[bigbettadan]

You need to breed TVRs then..........:me:

Dan

[bekko]

This year I dropped my old red/white oranda bloodline and started breeding a new line with a much shorter body form. The adults are imported and are mostly red with some white markings. I have a penchant for mostly white oranda with red markings, but noticed that the more white there is in the offspring, the longer the body. It is weird. From several thousand offspring, very one with a short body is full red or has just a little white on the fins.

-steve

[harzan]

I personally prefer the longer bodied fish if looking from above in a pond, but short ones look better from the side...

I think it is time aquariums should be made shallower....8 - 10 inches tall? 6 feet long 3 feet wide.

[HNLim]

I personally prefer the longer bodied fish if looking from above in a pond, but short ones look better from the side...

I think it is time aquariums should be made shallower....8 - 10 inches tall? 6 feet long 3 feet wide.
I am sure you can custom make your aquarium. BTW you need deep water to raise good oranda.

[bekko]

Sorry, but top-view oranda just do not do it for me. The transition from belly to peduncle is always too abrupt, the peduncle is never strong enough, and the large head only serves to magnify that effect. Top-view varieties should have smooth outline curves when viewed from above. You can have oranda with smooth outline curves in side view, but in the top view the outline is just too busy or complicated.

-steve

[harzan]

I think these are cool! My new dream fish! I guess this is why there are so many DIFFERENT varieties. Different strokes for.....different folks???

http://www.goldfishkeepers.com/forum/album.php?albumid=52

[afnaveils]

I think these are cool! My new dream fish! I guess this is why there are so many DIFFERENT varieties. Different strokes for.....different folks???

http://www.goldfishkeepers.com/forum/album.php?albumid=52

I guess for you Harris, they would be even cooler if they were blue, lol>:)

[bigbettadan]

I love azumas too......

Dan