Constructive Criticism Appreciated on my Ranchu

[Mikey V]

hi all,
this is Annie, a new acquisition of mine. She is only about 4 months old, but any ideas/tips would help greatly. I'm still relatively new to seriously raising ranchu, so I have never gotten an experts opinion. Personally, I think she's gorgeous, but i would like to know what experts think nonetheless

[small_ranchu]

The fish has 45 degree tail angle.
Head growthe is decent for 4 months old fish.
tip of the tail is lower than the highest point of the back.

The only issue is the back. I would choose a smooth back.

Overall, it is a good start. Congratulations and welcome to ranchu world.

[bigbettadan]

For side view ranchu, it needs a much deeper body and higher back. But that can be improved with proper feeding/age. The body is a tad long, but that is due to its top view ranchu background(Japanese bloodlines)

Dan

[Mikey V]

Thanks guys!
She is still pretty young, but I'm very optimistic!


Head growthe is decent for 4 months old fish.
tip of the tail is lower than the highest point of the back.

The only issue is the back. I would choose a smooth back.


I am hoping her head growth will just get just big enough to give her a more round appearence, I'm sure it will in a year or so (Let's hope she ages very gracefully:cross_fingers: )

For side view ranchu, it needs a much deeper body and higher back. But that can be improved with proper feeding/age. The body is a tad long, but that is due to its top view ranchu background(Japanese bloodlines)

If her back didn't taper down, she might have a great lionhead body :-P

She, as well as my lionchu, gets four small meals a day, two being Hikari's Lionhead mix, and the other two being gammaru shrimp and maybe a snack of blood worms once or twice a week. I have heard some say that feeding blood worms daily can be stressful on the fish's digestive system but others say they're highly beneficial? What do you guys think would be the best way to make her "fatter" without hurting her or risking swim bladder problems?

[eros]

What do you guys think would be the best way to make her "fatter" without hurting her or risking swim bladder problems?[/QUOTE]

I would add some veggies/roughage. You should know about that:). Add peas, wall algae...


*Welcome to the forum

[eros]

tip of the tail is lower than the highest point of the back.


Hmmm, correct me if Im wrong Freddy but it doesnt look like to me that the tail tip is higher than the back

[small_ranchu]

Hmmm, correct me if Im wrong Freddy but it doesnt look like to me that the tail tip is higher than the back

I said the same thing too. it is lower.

[small_ranchu]

What do you guys think would be the best way to make her "fatter" without hurting her or risking swim bladder problems?
Veggie + do more water change. 90 percent twice a week.

[Virginia ranchu]

Hi,

A real ranchu is a top view Japanese ranchu, so I would never criticize a ranchu for being "too much like a top view Japanese ranchu". In fact, many of the culls from a typical TVR spawn would be considered good SVR type. It seems counterproductive to me that someone would intentionally breed Japanese ranchu away from the traditional top view body type. Perhaps the concept of a side view ranchu was "created" to secure a market for those fish that weren't good TVR specimens. Of all the hobbyist ranchu breeders in the U.S., Canada and a few in the U.K., I don't know of any who are selectively breeding for the side view type.

I would say that this fish does have a lot of good Japanese tvr traits. I'd like to see a photo taken from the top.

Cheers,

Rob

[bigbettadan]

You know I am the biggest TVR guy around, and would prefer that no one raised these fish for side view. I get them too and cull them. But I was just giving pointers by side view AGA standards, and what I see in the top side view fish shown in Singapore/thailand. Unfortuanately we have a way to go to educate on true(TV) standards here in the states. Those side view fish still dominate AGA shows.

As far as top view, the tail set is wrong, as the tail core breaks the bracelet/peduncle. Which is common in side view fish. It collapses the tail from the top view...


Dan

[Virginia ranchu]

Glad to hear it Dan:)

I was afraid we lost you to the side view camp.

As far as rating goldfish goes, I think that for a lot of hobbyists who are not interested in breeding, more consideration should be given to how well conditioned the fish is. Assuming all the competing fish are of reasonably good quality, I think that minor faults (like a single anal fin on a double tailed fish) should be overlooked in favor of better conditioning... Size, color intensity, condition of skin, fins, eyes, activity level, etc. Raising a healthy fish does take some skill and effort, and gives fish shows some legitimate basis for the competition. I have seen people purchase goldfish from importers at fish shows and put them into a competition the very same day. This seems "unsporting" to me. If the fish wins, shouldn't the vendor get the recognition?

I think breeders should exhibit in separate breeder classes of three fish from a single spawn. Breeding goldfish is a different challenge/hobby altogether, and I'm sure most breeders would want to compare their home-bred specimens to those of other hobbyist breeders, and not commercial producers. When rating a breeder's skill, desirable genetic traits should be given relatively higher importance. For breeding stock, a fault like a single anal fin on the double tailed fish is more of a concern.

Just my two cents,

Rob

[bigbettadan]

That happen at the Chicago show. I agree, long term, the hobby does not grow this way. But things will change:

A) I am pushing for the AGA to have a breeders class for next year, most seem receptive

B) Starting the American TVR club to educate and have Japanese style shows.

The one advantage for showing side view is cost. I a large freshly imported side view ranchu(the size that wins here in the states) runs between $500 to $800. A TVR of equal size and quality would run $2000 to $4000 dollars at least. Another reason to raise them!

Doing goldfish shows in conjection with Koi shows has it's advantages, but it brings in the "buy and show" mentality of Koi shows..

Dan

[pearlscale_fan]

nice symetrical colors, cute face, tail tuck a bit more like a lionhead, but who cares?
shes a really cute fish (looks hungry?)