Members...

[small_ranchu]

Hello everyone,
I know we have a lot of TVR lovers in this forum. Come on everybody, no matter you are breeders, vendors or keepers, PLEASE join the club, submit your suggestion.. >:D<

[marlin08]

I am brand new to this with the 4 TVR that I got from Dan but definitely wanting to learn and this sounds like a great opportunity.

Perhaps you could have a thread here in this section just for a "show of hands" of who is interested in supporting/being involved in a TVR club?

I'm sure there are those who are interested in being involved but may not be replying because they don't have specific suggestions right now?

Just a thought..

[small_ranchu]

Thanks for your suggestion. Let's use this thread as 'show of hands' thread. Please drop a line if you are interesting....

[bigbettadan]

I am in of course.......:me:

Dan

[eros]

:yess:, I'm in.

[thomasn]

and..how do you join?

[bigbettadan]

Say I want to join...... LOL for right now anyway.

Dan

[thomasn]

ok, I'll join :coffee:

[bekko]

The usual first step in creating a club is to develop a mission statement. The goals in the other thread are a mission statement of sorts. The next step is to develop by-laws which guide you in fulfilling that mission statement. Sounds like mum-bo-jumbo, but without these items there is no clear focus and without these items the group is guaranteed to break into chaos and disagreement later. The by-laws are a living document which can and should be modified by consensus opinion as the need arises.

Count me in.

-steve

[bigbettadan]

Would you like to propose a mission statement??

Dan

[GlassGoldfish]

"To promote excellence in the art of traditional Japanese ranchu."

[bigbettadan]

Thats a good statement. Do we want more details???

Dan

[suphi]

I'll join.:interest:

[GlassGoldfish]

I think the mission statement should be a broad statement. The name of the Kai should be something artistic, something that evokes a feeling or setting, something that honors the old ways...... a name that will really impress the Japanese when we ask a Kai in Japan to become our sister-kai.

Here's some brainstorming:
"Blossoming Western Ranchu Kai"
"Western Sunrise Ranchu Kai"
"Super Ranchu America Kai"
"Super Sky Ranchu Kai" (hahahaha! it rhymes!)


Everyone throw down your crazy name ideas, and we'll blend them together into something very unique and memorable.

[bigbettadan]

I kinda like blossoming western ranchu kai......

Everyone jump in.... Thats the only requirement for membership right now, input....

Dan

[bigbettadan]

How about "American dojo Ranchu Kai"

Dan

[GlassGoldfish]

whats the Japanese word for the ring where a sumo match occurs?

[bigbettadan]

Dohyo is the term for a sumo ring...

Heya is the term for Sumo training stables....

American Dohyo ranchu kai???

Dan

[GlassGoldfish]

That sounds competitive. I'm trying to think relaxing and serene.....

[bigbettadan]

Western Sunrise ranchu Kai is pretty relaxing.........

Dan

[GlassGoldfish]

I like it, evokes a feeling of the beginning of something new in the West.

[bigbettadan]

Alright, lets here a vote of who wants to go with......

Western sunrise ranchu Kai.

Dan

[small_ranchu]

Please choose 4 or 5 different names. Then we can setup a poll for name.

[bigbettadan]

Here are choices:

Western Sunrise Ranchu Kai
American Dohyo Ranchu Kai
North American Ranchu Kai


Dan

[Bucks Koi]

How about "American dojo Ranchu Kai"

Dan

How about
Kai Kai Pizza Pie Ranchu Kai
I could not resist
Patrick

[King_oF_Ranchu]

North America Ranchu Club (NARC)

[small_ranchu]

I want to wait for 1 week. :)

[bigbettadan]

Well we need to keep rolling. Can you start a members list?

Dan

[Daryl]

Well, you can count me in. I hope to have fish to breed sometime in the future......

I agree - wait a week and let the names sit and ...... "fester" in our brains. (NARC!!!! :confuse: :-P )

[Bucks Koi]

North America Ranchu Club (NARC)

SAKURA RANCHU CLUB

AMERICAN RANCHU CLUB

RANCHU'S UNITED

UNITED RANCHU CLUB

AMERICAN RANCHU KEEPERS

Kai just has to many meanings.

Patrick

[bigbettadan]

I like Sakura.... What does it mean in Japanese again?
Dan

[King_oF_Ranchu]

Sakura is a pink flower tree. Go to my website and you should see Sakura on top-right corner.

Paul

[eros]

Sakura or a Japanese Cherry Blossom tree. You can see them bloom when in season at your local Japantown

[eros]

NARC- kinda like it but were not NARC officers. Maybe NARK (kai).
Western Sunrise RC- I dont know about that one
Sakura- like it

[eros]

Ill try to think of a name to contribute in the pot. Give me a few days..

[bigbettadan]

I like this:

Western Sukura Ranchu club

Dan

[bigbettadan]

Also keep in mind the cherry blossom flower is described shape of the ideal ranchu tail....

Dan

[bekko]

'Sakura Nishiki' means there is a mixture of matt and metallic scales. It is the red pigment under the matt scales which gives the pinkish color reminiscent of cherry blossoms. There are now sakura TVR, sakura jikin, sakura nankin, etc. However, traditional TVR are only metallic scale and the presence of the sakura pattern indicates introduction of nacreous genes from other varieties. Sakura TVR are not real TVR.

-steve

[bekko]

... and if I'm not mistaken, sakura TVR would not be eligible to compete in the AJRS.

-steve

[bigbettadan]

Ok, scratch that..... I did not know the name would be the hardest part...LOL

Dan

[bigbettadan]

I am thinking "North American japanese ranchu club" might be the safest choice. And though the name would not help us get a sister Japanese kai(and we do need one), it might be the easiest for us here. Plus I don't want to leave the Canadians out, hence North American.......

Dan

[eros]

I am thinking "North American japanese ranchu club" might be the safest choice. And though the name would not help us get a sister Japanese kai(and we do need one), it might be the easiest for us here. Plus I don't want to leave the Canadians out, hence North American.......

Dan

I like this one, Dan. Simple yet descriptive of the club

[small_ranchu]

And though the name would not help us get a sister Japanese kai(and we do need one)
Dan

I am just curious, why?

[Bucks Koi]

I am thinking "North American japanese ranchu club" might be the safest choice. And though the name would not help us get a sister Japanese kai(and we do need one), it might be the easiest for us here. Plus I don't want to leave the Canadians out, hence North American.......

Dan


Can you ship or import fish to canada?
Can you show your fish in canada, can they show fish here?
you thinking to hard.

American Ranchu Club

American Ranchu Society

Sakura Ranchu Club

Sakura Ranchu Society

I not trying to be the guy that WANTS to names this club I just want to help make it simple.
Now I Will Shut Up
Patrick

[marlin08]

Can you ship or import fish to canada?
Can you show your fish in canada, can they show fish here?
you thinking to hard.

Patrick

....one day, hopefully..? :youtellme:

[bigbettadan]

We could make even simpler,

North American Ranchu Society. Since true ranchu are both top view and Japanese....

The best way to get fish from Canada is to drive them...........

Dan

[Bucks Koi]

We could make even simpler,

North American Ranchu Society. Since true ranchu are both top view and Japanese....

The best way to get fish from Canada is to drive them...........

Dan

What about South America.
NO NO NO I got it, how about Earth Ranchu Society.
This way no one is left out.
We could also add galaxy this way the aliens are not left out.
Patrick

[marlin08]

What about South America.
NO NO NO I got it, how about Earth Ranchu Society.
This way no one is left out.
We could also add galaxy this way the aliens are not left out.
Patrick


Hey Fred, where's the "duct tape" smiley???!! :D

[Ranchumaniax]

What about South America.
NO NO NO I got it, how about Earth Ranchu Society.
This way no one is left out.
We could also add galaxy this way the aliens are not left out.
Patrick

After reading all of posting on this topic.

Kai Kai Pizza Pie Ranchu Kai!!! >:)

[Ranchumaniax]

American Ranchu Club is a best name so far.
Aye Aye !!

[SeaWitch]

I would really like to learn more about Jap. TVR, so please count me in!

As for the name, I was just wondering if maybe using a symbol (name) of something that the Japanese hold dear to them in the name would help? Again, not sure what that would be...just a suggestion.

[jinyu_fan]

I had indicated my interest in joining in the other thread - but I'll say it again here. Count me in!

[bekko]

I do not think it would be too difficult to find a sister club... irregardless of the name. The tricky part is finding a kai member who can and will do the translation.

I may be off base, but my understanding of a ranchu kai in Japan is that they are each formed around a particular breeder. The sensei teaches the members about ranchu and supplies young fish at a reasonable cost. When his members win in regional or national shows, the master looks good and the price of his stock increases.

But, there are kai or hozonkai (I'm not sure what the difference is between 'kai' and 'hozenkai') for all sorts of hobbies and the sensei/student relationship is not a requisite.

Since we are talking about including other Japanese varieties besides TVR, perhaps that should be reflected in the name.

KINGYO SOCIETY OF AMERICA

-steve

[Jed]

I do not think it would be too difficult to find a sister club... irregardless of the name. The tricky part is finding a kai member who can and will do the translation.

I may be off base, but my understanding of a ranchu kai in Japan is that they are each formed around a particular breeder. The sensei teaches the members about ranchu and supplies young fish at a reasonable cost. When his members win in regional or national shows, the master looks good and the price of his stock increases.

But, there are kai or hozonkai (I'm not sure what the difference is between 'kai' and 'hozenkai') for all sorts of hobbies and the sensei/student relationship is not a requisite.

Since we are talking about including other Japanese varieties besides TVR, perhaps that should be reflected in the name.

KINGYO SOCIETY OF AMERICA

-steve


Brilliant, Steve I love that name! I was thinking along those line as I was reading this topic. I also love :

Ranchu Club Of America

[bigbettadan]

I would like to see Ranchu in the name for the most part...

How about:

Kingyo Ranchu Society of America

Dab

[Jed]

I love to see the word ranchu and america as opposed to american.

[bigbettadan]

We will wait for input for the rest of the weekend and make a decision......


Dan

[Bucks Koi]

OK let's try saying these.
Repeat after me.

ICHIBAN AMERICAN RANCHU CLUB


ICHIBAN AMERICAN RANCHU SOCIETY


ICHIBAN RANCHU SOCIETY OF AMERICA

Now don't add north or south just try saying these.
Patrick

[King_oF_Ranchu]

Since there will be lot of Ranchu lover in the club.
How about " Ranchu Maniax Club of America"?

[Jed]

Since there will be lot of Ranchu lover in the club.
How about " Ranchu Maniax Club of America"?


Why are earth would they use that name? No way!!! >:)

[Jed]

OK let's try saying these.
Repeat after me.

ICHIBAN AMERICAN RANCHU CLUB


ICHIBAN AMERICAN RANCHU SOCIETY


ICHIBAN RANCHU SOCIETY OF AMERICA

Now don't add north or south just try saying these.
Patrick


So, does Ichiban mean "best" or "number one"?

[Bucks Koi]

ICHIBAN
It means number one or first.

[bigbettadan]

Fred, lets get a poll up. I think the finalist are:

Ranchu Society of America

Kingyo Ranchu Society of America

Ichiban Ranchu Society of America


Dan

[King_oF_Ranchu]

I don't think Kingyo is a good word to name this club. Since I believe it's mean goldfish which it's sound awkward by saying "goldfish ranchu society of America". Plus, we have AGA doing all kind of goldfish. Also AGA is like a mother to our club. If we really want to be like a chain club of AGA, American Ranchu Association (ARA) is not a bad name!

To me, personally, ranchu society/club of America are the best description. We should stick with our own language for the name of the club. Also use language that we can use best!

[small_ranchu]

I have to agree with Paul. Kinyo Ranchu is not the best I have to say.

[bigbettadan]

This name thing is not worth the trouble we are making it. I guess the

ranchu society of america

Is the safe play.

Dan

[King_oF_Ranchu]

I like "Ranchu Club of America" the best!

[Bucks Koi]

Paul
That video of that stupid A. is making me more sick than this name choosing.
I don't know what is worse speed cook or pole impale.
Patrick

[Bucks Koi]

"Ranchu Club of America"
Paul I like it, same as what I picked only backwards.
Patrick

[nygold]

Do you have to actually own a Ranchu to be in the RCA (Ranchu club of America)?

[bigbettadan]

No, but we need to get you some!!

Dan

[abbeh15]

Count me in please :)

[Ajno]

Me neither.....:)

[bigbettadan]

Eventually I want to start some mentoring program and send new people US bred TVRs to grow up. Will they be as nice as imports? No. But they will be tough.

Dan

[Daryl]

Ranchu Club of America is nice, to the point, simple and WESTERN. That is what we are setting up - a unique club that is NOT Japanese.

It is not necessary to attempt to be that which we are not. We are not Japanese - we are WESTERN breeders, keepers and show people.

The fish may have Japanese bloodlines, but will be our fish - hardy and strong (I hope), yet as beautiful as the stock from which they decended.

JMO

[bigbettadan]

Thats pretty much where we are, but debating about Club, Association or Society.... But the spirit is the same.....

Dan

[Jed]

Ranchu Club of America is nice, to the point, simple and WESTERN. That is what we are setting up - a unique club that is NOT Japanese.

It is not necessary to attempt to be that which we are not. We are not Japanese - we are WESTERN breeders, keepers and show people.

The fish may have Japanese bloodlines, but will be our fish - hardy and strong (I hope), yet as beautiful as the stock from which they decended.

JMO


I agree! :yess:

[Mikey V]

Is it too late to join?
I would really like to!

[bigbettadan]

No, its not too late. We just finished the bylaws and will be working on dues and such. Welcome to the club.


Dan

[nygold]

I picked up 3 very tiny Lionheads, Iam raising them in a tub and viewing them from the top. It's TVR practice.

[afertuna]

Although I have no Tvr ( I have 6 Lionchu from Norm FishDork) I would like to learn more about tvr and join for now........

[bigbettadan]

Thanks for joining in.... We will be having a show in Sept, we are also working on a website, more info to come.........

Dan

[devins23]

Dan, the show is on Sep 2010? I'd like to join too! Thanks.

[bigbettadan]

Thats the plan...........

Dan

[afertuna]

I geuss that gives me some time to get a couple of tvr's :)

[tizmylife]

I am pleased to join this group and learn more about keeping and showing Ranchu. Greetings!

[bigbettadan]

You need to contact Greg...(ranchu fancier), he is a fellow badger and a good ranchu man.

Dan

[Taylor]

Hi sign me up. I used to always keep my ranchu in cattle tanks, and I enjoyed them from above-- but I really like good ranchu backs with nice round curves. Here here for nice round curves!

My first ranchu was in '98. Love 'em. Getting back into it after a couple years of being without all of my fish. I'm not planning on raising anything but ranchu. :yess: